2020 US Elections

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somethingelse said:
If they can pss about counting the votes when they like and adding votes when they like they can wait for the court case to decide if they have been rigging this election ,the media declaring for Biden is a disgrace
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No it's what they do when a clear winner is known.


5 million more votes than trump, and even if there was some anonalies in the disputed states they wouldn't come to the numbers in each for biden to lose them.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I mean it's brilliant in terms of turnout and engagement - Biden has polled the most votes ever, and the loser (Trump) still got more than even Obama did. Even Kanye got 60k! What I see as a problem for the US is that the flip side of this spectacular level of engagement is that whichever way it went the debate has been so polarised that 70m-ish folk are pissed off. The size of the Trump vote suggests it's not just the Neo-Nazi's and Deliverance types that thought he was a good idea either - there are not that many of them (hopefully). I'm not especially worried about violence - I'm sure there will be a minority of idiots who will do bad things as that is part of the human condition. My concern is that the division in the US is more powerful than even Brexit was here and will take a lot of healing.
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The thing with this 'i won, the illegal votes blah blah' crap is, if you throw enough shit at a wall, some of it is bound to stick.

And a good chunk of the 70m that voted for trump may well end up believing it and feeling even more 'marginalised'. Which they will carry into the next one, project onto more like them, and divide further from those inclined the other way.

And so round and round it goes.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
He seems to be taking it well......

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His lawyer said today they won the right to have observers within six feet but they just moved the industrial sized machines and the counters six feet from there, crazy twat lol

I have always taken an interest in america back to the gulf wars but this last year has been the bonkers time ever, i honestly havent believed my eyes and ears at times

I maintained he is the most dangerous man in the world , i was glad i was engaged and witnessed history this week
 
Coatigan said:
The thing with this 'i won, the illegal votes blah blah' crap is, if you throw enough shit at a wall, some of it is bound to stick.

And a good chunk of the 70m that voted for trump may well end up believing it and feeling even more 'marginalised'. Which they will carry into the next one, project onto more like them, and divide further from those inclined the other way.

And so round and round it goes.
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The demographics are changing though, the democrats won this election by more of the 'popular vote' than the last election.
 
Coatigan said:
The thing with this 'i won, the illegal votes blah blah' crap is, if you throw enough shit at a wall, some of it is bound to stick.

And a good chunk of the 70m that voted for trump may well end up believing it and feeling even more 'marginalised'. Which they will carry into the next one, project onto more like them, and divide further from those inclined the other way.

And so round and round it goes.
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Yes, that's how I see it which I think some on here misinterpret as supporting Trump just because I think there are concerns. Biden needs to bring the country back together and make the current squabble irrelevant. Economic boom would do this nicely and make everyone put these troubles aside - failing that civil war/Global conflict or a pandemic will have to do.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
So I have been pretty ignorant about Jo up until the last few weeks. He seems to be a pretty solid guy though. Career politician, knows his way around Washington for sure. Believes in the right things. Has had his share of the tragedies that life throws at you. Kamala Harris seems a very interesting VP too. Thank fuck for America. Hopefully it can retake its place as the leader of the free world.
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Hope he’s not cup tied...
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I mean it's brilliant in terms of turnout and engagement - Biden has polled the most votes ever, and the loser (Trump) still got more than even Obama did. Even Kanye got 60k! What I see as a problem for the US is that the flip side of this spectacular level of engagement is that whichever way it went the debate has been so polarised that 70m-ish folk are pissed off. The size of the Trump vote suggests it's not just the Neo-Nazi's and Deliverance types that thought he was a good idea either - there are not that many of them (hopefully). I'm not especially worried about violence - I'm sure there will be a minority of idiots who will do bad things as that is part of the human condition. My concern is that the division in the US is more powerful than even Brexit was here and will take a lot of healing.
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A lot of the division was generated for political means but there is no division in America, it's one of the most liberated and free places in the world and they celebrate that above all else.

What happened was one guy played on a ticket of peoples prejudices and lied about what he would do for them. He then did nothing and only spent efforts on things that benefited him politically or personally.

The sum of his efforts was abandoning the people who may have elected him, some of whom are now potentially dead because of an out of control pandemic that he could of done something to help with.

He has even attacked serving soliders calling those who have died for their country losers and suckers.

America has never threatened NATO or threatened to leave the UN nor have they entertained tin pot dictators in North Korea just so the president can net a Noble Prize, and what has America gained by leaving the WHO or Paris Climate accord?

He was a tosser of the greatest order, an egomaniac, good riddance. They will be stronger with Biden.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Yes, that's how I see it which I think some on here misinterpret as supporting Trump just because I think there are concerns. Biden needs to bring the country back together and make the current squabble irrelevant. Economic boom would do this nicely and make everyone put these troubles aside - failing that civil war/Global conflict or a pandemic will have to do.
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The best thing he can do is say he's a President for all Americans -- which he has done, regularly -- and focus immediately on getting COVID cases down. Trump has politicized this, and so he has work to do, and he's not going to convince everyone, especially the cult members, but you get rid of the pandemic and you get rid of the recession/depression/slowdown.
 
inbetween said:
A lot of the division was generated for political means but there is no division in America, it's one of the most liberated and free places in the world and they celebrate that above all else.

What happened was one guy played on a ticket of peoples prejudices and lied about what he would do for them. He then did nothing and only spent efforts on things that benefited him politically or personally.

The sum of his efforts was abandoning the people who may have elected him, some of whom are now potentially dead because of an out of control pandemic that he could of done something to help with.

He has even attacked serving soliders calling those who have died for their country losers and suckers.

America has never threatened NATO or threatened to leave the UN nor have they entertained tin pot dictators in North Korea just so the president can net a Noble Prize, and what has America gained by leaving the WHO or Paris Climate accord?

He was a tosser of the greatest order, an egomaniac, good riddance. They will be stronger with Biden.
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Exactly this. There are divisions, and there always will be -- economic, geogrpahic, social status, race, creed, sex, gender identity. But nothing like now, for 50+ years! Not remotely CLOSE! That's precisely why the President should always be a unifying moderate. We're an enormous and incredibly diverse nation. Trump specifically operated opposite of this, and leveraged that division, even to the point of politicizing a health care crisis.
 
Blue Hefner said:
Whilst there will be no official statement......

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He's very badly advised. He has people around him that do not tell him the truth.

He also needs to stop watching One America Network.

I mean it can be literally disproved by the court transcript from two days ago.

A lawyer for Trump stated yes that republican observers were allowed into counting rooms.
 
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