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Expected this thread to be a lot busier this morning, but seems to have subsided a little (it's an odd time at the moment - negative/positive upper cuts every other day).

The Oxford professor (Sharrock?) was on TV this morning discussing the bionTech vaccine. Seems as positive as most others thankfully.
Seems like this own vaccine could potentially be ready for the summer so I suspect this will be seen as a longer term vaccine (far cheaper and far easier to administer logistically).
The Pfizer/BioNtech one then (if it goes ahead) will be a costly but much needed shot in the arm.

Australia are already manufacturing the Oxford/AZ vaccine.

Another question for those that *may* know: is there any minor cause of concern for a mRNA vaccine given it's not been used on humans before. This is not an anti-vaxx weighted question btw (I'm certainly far from it) but it's something that is asked a bit.
Presumably worry of a synthetic innoculation rather than from a live or remnants of a dead virus.
 
somapop said:
This is her report on that...not sure about the name of the website mind:

https://lockdownsceptics.org/how-covid-deaths-are-over-counted/
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I'm just getting through that article now. I haven't really explored the main body of content on that website, so cant comment on that, but as regards the name the traditional name of 'skeptic/sceptic' has been wrongly conflated with 'conspiracist' nowadays, in my eyes. I went to a scientific skeptic society for many years, it was merely questioning bodies of evidence, or theories etc. Nothing conspiracist at all about traditional skepticism.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
It’s outrageous that infected clinicians are allowed to treat patients but that doesn’t make 71 million people scumbags. The next time I visit the states I won’t be looking at the election map. Just like I won’t be looking at which States have been instrumental in the development of vaccines.
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I posted last week that a mate knows someone who lives in Holland but works in Belgium, and they've been doing the same thing over in Belgium - health workers who are testing positive but not displaying symptoms are being asked to come into work because they're desperately short of numbers over there to cope with this. It could be the same reason why they're doing it in North Dakota and I think I recall reading somewhere that they've recently been recording the highest number of infections across all states in terms of percentage of population.

Edit - there's an article here which explains the reasoning by this move and pretty much squares with what I said above. The situation is clearly very serious in North Dakota: https://www.grandforksherald.com/ne...ounces-COVID-positive-nurses-can-stay-at-work
 
M18CTID said:
I posted last week that a mate knows someone who lives in Holland but works in Belgium, and they've been doing the same thing over in Belgium - health workers who are testing positive but not displaying symptoms are being asked to come into work because they're desperately short of numbers over there to cope with this. It could be the same reason why they're doing it in North Dakota and I think I recall reading somewhere that they've recently been recording the highest number of infections across all states in terms of percentage of population.

Edit - there's an article here which explains the reasoning by this move and pretty much squares with what I said above. The situation is clearly very serious in North Dakota: https://www.grandforksherald.com/ne...ounces-COVID-positive-nurses-can-stay-at-work
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Hopefully the health workers are ignoring said advice and staying home when they know they're positive. Save 1 person to kill 2 more off when you keep infecting other people seems a bit mad.
 
current wave peak deaths (actual date of death) remains 331 on November 1st. Let's hope it stays that way.
 
crooky said:
Hopefully the health workers are ignoring said advice and staying home when they know they're positive. Save 1 person to kill 2 more off when you keep infecting other people seems a bit mad.
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I think the reasoning behind it is for Covid positive health workers to treat Covid patients only and not to interact with anyone else, meaning it reduces the chances of anyone else being infected. It's not an ideal scenario of course but I think it's more borne out of desperation than stupidity.
 
M18CTID said:
I think the reasoning behind it is for Covid positive health workers to treat Covid patients only and not to interact with anyone else, meaning it reduces the chances of anyone else being infected. It's not an ideal scenario of course but I think it's more borne out of desperation than stupidity.
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But how do they get to work, where do they have the breaks, where do they go to the toilet etc?

Seems like a big risk.
 
shemnel said:
very interesting food for thought;



(in her last sentence she means dotted orange line)
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An absolutely pointless graph tbh, as it's a month out of date and only represents the beginning of this second wave, which we're now fully in. It only goes up to the 14th October, when cases and deaths were still very much getting going again. The graph now would look nowt like that.
 
twosips said:
An absolutely pointless graph tbh, as it's a month out of date and only represents the beginning of this second wave, which we're now fully in. It only goes up to the 14th October, when cases and deaths were still very much getting going again. The graph now would look nowt like that.
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it'd be good to see it up to 1st Nov i agree. So about a further 16 or 17 days of data onto it.
 
Liverpool lateral flow test programme provided 162 positives in 23,170 people, a positive rate of 0.7%. This is in stark contrast to current PCR testing (with it's known false positive problems) and lower than the ONS predictions of a prevalence of 2.2%.

Very interesting that these lateral tests are planning to be rolled out across the nation .
 
Tim of the Oak said:
It’s outrageous that infected clinicians are allowed to treat patients but that doesn’t make 71 million people scumbags. The next time I visit the states I won’t be looking at the election map. Just like I won’t be looking at which States have been instrumental in the development of vaccines.
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I don't know the details from the post, but it may not be wholly outrageous if they are short of doctors.
The tweet suggested it was only red patients ie those who have Covid, so there is no transmission risk to and from the patient.
The problem is potentially other people who share the working environment.
And I certainly wouldn't want to be treated by someone symptomatic, the brain fog might be significant.
 
shemnel said:
Liverpool lateral flow test programme provided 162 positives in 23,170 people, a positive rate of 0.7%. This is in stark contrast to current PCR testing (with it's known false positive problems) and lower than the ONS predictions of a prevalence of 2.2%.

Very interesting that these lateral tests are planning to be rolled out across the nation .
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Given that people showing symptoms are still booking through PCR route and the city has been in lockdown tier 3 followed by national for a month not really surprising
 
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