2020 US Elections

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mancity2012_eamo said:
Unless of course this all just a delay tactic. No evidence whatsoever is no draw back for Trump and his team. When has he ever shown evidence for any of his lies.
it’s his classic MO. If anyone goes to the bother anymore of fact checking him, they are already two or three lies behind.

He repeated the narrative enough times. He just keeps it going. Repeat repeat repeat.
If one example is disproven something else will hit the headlines. He’s assured that nobody can believe the news anymore because it’s impossible to keep up with what’s fake or not.

So he basically never has to prove anything.

The real focus should be on how far can he actually get and where exactly is democracy being subverted.
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I'll have to disagree. Whatever lies Trump likes to tell (and whatever addition the media and those who despise him like to add), none of that would have any bearing here. This is not a matter of Trump or media postulation.

It's a matter of fact and evidence. There is no delaying this to be honest. Even if he is eschewing customs, we will know beyond the iota of doubt what the evidence says and the cases will be determined by impartial judges. In so far as there are any of those left.

Personally, I've seen nothing warranting a result change. And, yes I have examined some of the claims made.
 
Dax777 said:
Lol. No, I'm not desperate for anything. My point was simple one. It's the evidence that matters. Not the characters.

I suppose that lesson wasn't necessary as you clearly get it.
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There is no fucking evidence you prat. That’s why his campaign is 0-12 in court. Hell, it was only yesterday that his own counsel stated he wasn’t aware of any fraud to a judge.
 
west didsblue said:
Clearly, if enough did it to change the outcome it would cause a constitutional crisis and absolute chaos, but would it stand? Presumably the Supreme Court would become involved and with the SCOTUS Trump team (Kavanaugh, Barrett and Gorsuch) on board anything could happen.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/st...members-not-bound-by-popular-vote-court-rules
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As i understand it, the electors are selected by each party so for instance the states biden won would put forward electors selected by the democratic party and i cant see them deciding to shift their vote to trump.
 
Dax777 said:
That's coz you misread the original post. The point was to focus on the evidence not characters.

There either is or isn't evidence, the characters don't matter.
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Only in this case they do, the only reason there is so much discussion about potential voter fraud is because of the “characters “ making the allegations
 
Some people get a big ego-compensation out of being awkward, they end up playing that role over and over again. Yawn.
 
west didsblue said:
Clearly, if enough did it to change the outcome it would cause a constitutional crisis and absolute chaos, but would it stand? Presumably the Supreme Court would become involved and with the SCOTUS Trump team (Kavanaugh, Barrett and Gorsuch) on board anything could happen.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/st...members-not-bound-by-popular-vote-court-rules
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This reached the Supreme Court, who made their ruling just before the election. The individual states are empowered to use whatever laws they have to remove such 'faithless' voters. Colorado removed one on the spot in 2016.


The U.S. Supreme Court has unanimously upheld laws across the country that remove or punish rogue Electoral College delegates who refuse to cast their votes for the presidential candidate they were pledged to support.


The decision Monday was a loss for "faithless electors," who argued that under the Constitution they have discretion to decide which candidate to support.


Writing for the court, Justice Elena Kagan, in a decision peppered with references to the Broadway show Hamilton and the TV show Veep, said Electoral College delegates have "no ground for reversing" the statewide popular vote. That, she said, "accords with the Constitution — as well as with the trust of the Nation that here, We the People rule."
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Dax777 said:
I'll have to disagree. Whatever lies Trump likes to tell (and whatever addition the media and those who despise him like to add), none of that would have any bearing here. This is not a matter of Trump or media postulation.

It's a matter of fact and evidence. There is no delaying this to be honest. Even if he is eschewing customs, we will know beyond the iota of doubt what the evidence says and the cases will be determined by impartial judges. In so far as there are any of those left.

Personally, I've seen nothing warranting a result change. And, yes I have examined some of the claims made.
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I’m shocked.
Shocked I say, that you have to disagree.
I would think that it very much could matter how much he shys away from protocol and eschews custom during this charade period in which he is not facilitating the smooth transfer of power and is in fact sacking Pentagon officials and appointing those loyal to himself. Is in fact telling departments to set out their budgets like he will be around in February.

Facts and evidence are indeed facts and evidence no matter who they are about.
The fact is he has made it clear that he would head down a certain road regardless of the legitimate outcome of a democratic vote.

The fact that, that is exactly what he seems to be doing shouldn’t surprise but anyone lending legitimacy to what he is doing and has done are enabling him. Are complicit. Are facilitating the lie.

Just my opinion from afar of course. Now where’s my Bob Geldof back catalog. I’m sure there was one about a banana republic somewhere.
 
Dax777 said:
I'll have to disagree. Whatever lies Trump likes to tell (and whatever addition the media and those who despise him like to add), none of that would have any bearing here. This is not a matter of Trump or media postulation.

It's a matter of fact and evidence. There is no delaying this to be honest. Even if he is eschewing customs, we will know beyond the iota of doubt what the evidence says and the cases will be determined by impartial judges. In so far as there are any of those left.

Personally, I've seen nothing warranting a result change. And, yes I have examined some of the claims made.
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can smell your desperation buddy
 
SebastianBlue said:
But what possible gain could there be for a person to continually publicly maintain their account of voting fraud but officially (and privately) recant their account of said voting fraud when being questioned by federal law enforcement under penalty of law...
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Apparently he was given 130k via a gofundme page
 
SebastianBlue said:
It’s Governor, now!

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Let me get to ‘stat’ing those 180 ballots.
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Righto your Royal Govness. Too much? Your GIF reminds me of a tale told by a banker who was doing the daily count where they bundled the notes into packets of £15,000 and were lobbing the packets to each other and accidenatally threw a packet out of a second storey, (that's third storey in the States I believe, onto the street below. Such larks.
 
super_city_si said:
As i understand it, the electors are selected by each party so for instance the states biden won would put forward electors selected by the democratic party and i cant see them deciding to shift their vote to trump.
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I thought the electors are all the congressmen and senators. 438 congressmen + 100 senators.
 
bobmcfc said:
Apparently he was given 130k via a gofundme page
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I need to remember to use a wink face for these sort of posts. ;-)

Fortunately, GoFundMe took down the postal worker’s page and confirmed that no money was disbursed to him. The worker had indicated on the page that the money would be used “in the case I am wrongfully terminated from my job or I am forced into resigning due to ostrizization [sic] by my co-workers.”

The Erie Postmaster, against which the since *officially* recanted allegations were made, has said they “are 100% false made by an employee that was recently disciplined multiple times.”
 
SebastianBlue said:
I need to remember to use a wink face for these sort of posts. ;-)

Fortunately, GoFundMe took down the postal worker’s page and confirmed that no money was disbursed to him. The worker had indicated on the page that the money would be used “in the case I am wrongfully terminated from my job or I am forced into resigning due to ostrizization [sic] by my co-workers.”

The Erie Postmaster, against which the since *officially* recanted allegations were made, has said they “are 100% false made by an employee that was recently disciplined multiple times.”
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Womp womp.
 
DrBlueBob said:
Righto your Royal Govness. Too much? Your GIF reminds me of a tale told by a banker who was doing the daily count where they bundled the notes into packets of £15,000 and were lobbing the packets to each other and accidenatally threw a packet out of a second storey, (that's third storey in the States I believe, onto the street below. Such larks.
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“The Big G” will do.

Almost done with the ballot alchemy, just need a few more postal workers to sign on to complete the last 2,000 or so... err, conversions.
 
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