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peter101 said:
Its not a matter of being miserable its a matter of reality. Very few people in the trial even in the placebo group got severe covid therefore it is difficult to tell how successful the vaccine will be against this. Anyway the authorities have said even with vaccine masks and social distancing will continue. I think there will be a series of lockdowns early next year and if the vaccine is not as successful as hoped there may be lockdowns towards the end of next year too
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no not having that.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I imagine I will get chased off again sometime soon so they don’t have to read it......
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My wife had an old customer who rapidly went hill when her husband died a few months ago. She had to go into hospital last Friday, no covid symptoms. Only 4 people had any close contact with her. All 4 had to have covid tests, because by Monday the old lady had been tested and was told she had covid positive. All 4 people including my wife got negative results. On the following Thursday the lady died mainly down to a stroke and how weak she had become. She is now a covid death statistic, but did covid really cause her to die. Pretty much backs up what your saying.
 
Irrespective of the arguments and I know 563 dnot die of it yesterday but the total has gone up by that yesterday it is still tough.

my extremely healthy daughter has had it and is still not able to run nearly a month on. My brother has it and is poorly now. A bloke at work got it in March and won’t ever work again. (58 and can’t even walk down stairs now and used to be a concrete ganger.

I am as positive as anyone on the vaccine and know it wont last forever and I am fortunate it is not really impacting my business etc but I would say for the first time in my life I have a big of depression. God knows how people are coping who have lost jobs etc.

Such a shit year.
 
worsleyweb said:
Irrespective of the arguments and I know 563 dnot die of it yesterday but the total has gone up by that yesterday it is still tough.

my extremely healthy daughter has had it and is still not able to run nearly a month on. My brother has it and is poorly now. A bloke at work got it in March and won’t ever work again. (58 and can’t even walk down stairs now and used to be a concrete ganger.

I am as positive as anyone on the vaccine and know it wont last forever and I am fortunate it is not really impacting my business etc but I would say for the first time in my life I have a big of depression. God knows how people are coping who have lost jobs etc.

Such a shit year.
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covid and the scousers winning the PL. 2021 has to be better.
 
peter101 said:
Its not a matter of being miserable its a matter of reality. Very few people in the trial even in the placebo group got severe covid therefore it is difficult to tell how successful the vaccine will be against this. Anyway the authorities have said even with vaccine masks and social distancing will continue. I think there will be a series of lockdowns early next year and if the vaccine is not as successful as hoped there may be lockdowns towards the end of next year too
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Do you seriously believe that the people that carry out clinical trials don't know what they're doing? Do you think they just say "I know let's inject a load of people see what happens" "oh that went well no one turned blue, that'll do, let's release it on the world" unbelievable.
 
No but my point is we are not sure of the vaccines effect on severe covid. it is this which causes hospitals to be overwhelmed. I agree the evidence points to it preventing mild covid but this is not what we are worried about. The authorities have already said masks and social distancing will continue after the vaccine. Even they know a vaccine is not a magic bullet.
 
worsleyweb said:
Irrespective of the arguments and I know 563 dnot die of it yesterday but the total has gone up by that yesterday it is still tough.

my extremely healthy daughter has had it and is still not able to run nearly a month on. My brother has it and is poorly now. A bloke at work got it in March and won’t ever work again. (58 and can’t even walk down stairs now and used to be a concrete ganger.

I am as positive as anyone on the vaccine and know it wont last forever and I am fortunate it is not really impacting my business etc but I would say for the first time in my life I have a big of depression. God knows how people are coping who have lost jobs etc.

Such a shit year.
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Feel for you.

My very talented and up till now very high achieving eldest son shortly on way home from 3rd year at Uni suffering anxiety and depression, just can't cope with remote learning on course.

Middle son caught up with A levels fiasco, had to defer year, only just found a job this week after applying for dozens.

Youngest in self isolation currently, together with more than half of his school year after multiple cases in school.

And genuinely, I feel I'm in a privileged position. Like you say, an utter shitshow for those much worse off, bereaved, redundant, indebted etc.
 
worsleyweb said:
Irrespective of the arguments and I know 563 dnot die of it yesterday but the total has gone up by that yesterday it is still tough.

my extremely healthy daughter has had it and is still not able to run nearly a month on. My brother has it and is poorly now. A bloke at work got it in March and won’t ever work again. (58 and can’t even walk down stairs now and used to be a concrete ganger.

I am as positive as anyone on the vaccine and know it wont last forever and I am fortunate it is not really impacting my business etc but I would say for the first time in my life I have a big of depression. God knows how people are coping who have lost jobs etc.

Such a shit year.
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I know its not the same, but at 39, fit and healthy, I got pneumonia. For 6 weeks I didnt care if I lived or died I felt that ill. It took at least 10 or 11 months to feel back to nearly normal and another year to get my lungs and chest back to where I was before. But get back I did and at 57 I run 5 or 10k 3 times per week. Lets hope this is similar and that although awful, long term effects are not lifelong.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Feel for you.

My very talented and up till now very high achieving eldest son shortly on way home from 3rd year at Uni suffering anxiety and depression, just can't cope with remote learning on course.

Middle son caught up with A levels fiasco, had to defer year, only just found a job this week after applying for dozens.

Youngest in self isolation currently, together with more than half of his school year after multiple cases in school.

And genuinely, I feel I'm in a privileged position. Like you say, an utter shitshow for those much worse off, bereaved, redundant, indebted etc.
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Its been very hard on young people. My daughter also was taking her A levels this year and had (thankfully) already deferred uni for a year. But her dream job, working abroad with a theatre company for a year, was cancelled. Shes now a dinner lady! My 20 year old sons life was City, playing rugby, football, gigs, festivals, travelling. Now he just goes to work.
 
peter101 said:
No but my point is we are not sure of the vaccines effect on severe covid. it is this which causes hospitals to be overwhelmed. I agree the evidence points to it preventing mild covid but this is not what we are worried about. The authorities have already said masks and social distancing will continue after the vaccine. Even they know a vaccine is not a magic bullet.
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If we prevent mild covid (the majority of cases) then as a consequence we would massively reduce the amount of severe covid as there would be less people infectious and less spread.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
You can’t use the phrase ‘lag effect’ to make one point and then ignore it in the hope of making another. There is a lag between deaths happening and deaths being reported, just like there is with ‘case’ numbers as they are not what happened today but a combination of the last 5 days.
Also, out of interest, why is a Covid death more important than any other?
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Did i say it was ?
 
peter101 said:
No but my point is we are not sure of the vaccines effect on severe covid. it is this which causes hospitals to be overwhelmed. I agree the evidence points to it preventing mild covid but this is not what we are worried about. The authorities have already said masks and social distancing will continue after the vaccine. Even they know a vaccine is not a magic bullet.
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The point is to stop the covid infection at all, if you don't get it at all then you won't get 'severe' or 'mild' covid, with a predicted 90% success rate (similar rate for flu between 40 and 60%). They are talking about masks and social distancing continuing as it will obviously take several months to vaccinate everyone and until the required amount of the population has it then the preventative measures will continue but we should hopefully begin to get back to some sort of normality in the first half of next year.
I'd much prefer to believe the scientists telling me it works from extensive trials involving 50000+ people and nearly every country in the world working on it than 'experts' on here to be fair.
 
Dont know if its been said before, way too many pages to check but.....

If the Government want the public to believe them and in this vaccine....

The whole Board(s) of the Company(s) that produce the vaccine along with all our front bench Members of Parliament need to stage an event where they all go on live television and are televised live taking the vaccine.... my money is on that wont be happening.

Its the only way to public confidence raised and public buy in.

Anything less raises suspicions and rightly so.
 
Healdplace said:
Maybe something odd was going on yesterday.
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Nah a lot of the +ve specimen dates are from Sun/Mon/Tue are from folks going out last Wednesday as a last fling before lockdown.
Giving the public time to organise flings before ratcheting up restrictions increase cases in the area 3-5 days later.
 
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ell said:
If we prevent mild covid (the majority of cases) then as a consequence we would massively reduce the amount of severe covid as there would be less people infectious and less spread.
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We don't as yet know this as it is possible to stop the symptoms of mild covid without stopping transmission as it is possible it can reproduce in t he upper airways but then get stopped and so not cause symptoms. I have to say I think this is unlikely and it will probably stop this as well but we don't know.
It is also very likely to stop severe covid as severe covid is usually a progression from mild covid. It starts off as a flu like illness and then progresses, it would be very unusual though not competely impossible to stop mild covid but still have severe covid but we don't know for sure.
 
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