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Churchlawtonblue said:
Maybe. There doesnt seem much point in trying to debate anything further with him with regards to the benefits of taking a vaccine that will get all our lives back on track and save countless others. l Just hope he doesnt influence too many others with his paranoia. Perhaps he would think differently if he had lost a family member like we sadly have.
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Let's see if and when it rolls out, and if it is reliable. They can't even produce an accurate test yet so if people don't want to take a vaccine that is totally their right. No one should be shamed into putting something in their boy if they don't want it, and remember, we have lived with corona viruses all our life, hence why the majority of people have immunity.
 
johnnytapia said:
I'm interested how she knows. My school have extremely stringent procedures in place; we were lauded by the LA for the mitigation strategies we've implemented. And we've had staff, parents and pupils test positive. Finding out who was / is the "index" case is incredibly difficult, as we have found at school. Was it the teacher bringing it in from outside, did an asymptomatic child give it the teacher, was it a parent passing it on who had picked it up from the post they'd handled? Would genuinely love to know how any headteacher could make such a claim.
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she certainly did to me. i can only guess that all those pupils that have had to self isolate as a close contact have not tested positive??
 
oman0115 said:
Let's see if and when it rolls out, and if it is reliable. They can't even produce an accurate test yet so if people don't want to take a vaccine that is totally their right. No one should be shamed into putting something in their boy if they don't want it, and remember, we have lived with corona viruses all our life, hence why the majority of people have immunity.
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i didnt know the majority have immunity??
 
2964 is the total of cases from the 3 nations today. Rather high.

3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v today reads

3303 v 2697 v 2279 v 2964 today.

Hopefully a one off since as a trend it is not much of an advocate for long duration of the impact of circuit breakers.
 
oman0115 said:
Let's see if and when it rolls out, and if it is reliable. They can't even produce an accurate test yet so if people don't want to take a vaccine that is totally their right. No one should be shamed into putting something in their boy if they don't want it, and remember, we have lived with corona viruses all our life, hence why the majority of people have immunity.
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The majority of people don’t have immunity. It took half the population of Bergamo to catch Covid 19 before it was brought under control.
 
oman0115 said:
Yes you are right wrong way of putting it, I should have said the majority have none or mild symptoms.

Are you in support of herd immunity then?
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No mate because the death toll would be far too high.

That’s said, I think we have to accept a certain amount of cases to, for example, to build up resilience amongst school kids, students etc in a gradual way without overwhelming NHS services
 
England hospital data:

Patients up 54 to 12, 592 - was 10, 621 last Sunday. The peak of Wave 1 in mid April was 17, 172 in hospital.

Ventilators up 4 to 1162 - was 1001 last Sunday. The peak of Wave 1 in mid April was 2881.
 
Good news for NW hospitals:

Patients down 2947 to 2919. That's only 29 over the wave 1 peak and was 2782 last Sunday. The stalling of hospital numbers in the NW is starting to look very real.


Ventilators also down from 280 to 266. That is just 4 up on a week ago.

Yes, deaths impact this data but the % of deaths in the NW is falling steadily.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
True, she just seemed so certain. i didnt ask her how she knew. I know my youngest daughter has had to isolate three times and luckily hasnt had it.
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At my school we've had Nursery and Reception isolating twice, Year 1 isolating once and Year 3 isolating once. 4 staff positives, 3 children, couple of siblings, and 5 parent positives - these are the ones we have been informed about. I know for an absolute fact that some parents have told us their child has been tested and it was negative but that the child was never tested. Kids have an uncanny way of letting you know the truth eventually. These were children who were symptomatic, who we placed in isolation and were told not to return until negative or after full isolation period.
I heard some tremendously sad news at the weekend from a colleague who teaches in Wythenshawe. One of their teachers tested positive and seems to have passed it to her 77yr old mother who died last weekend from Covid.
At the same school in April, two parents who were nursing staff died.
I myself was symptomatic last Thursday, isolated Friday and was tested, came back negative thankfully but I now have chest infection and am struggling to get up the stairs. Normally I'd battle through and be back in school but I'm extremely worried what would happen if I get Covid on top of this infection.
It would have a devastating effect on pupils if we shut the schools again, online learning is shite - there's no substitute for being in class with your peers being taught by your teacher.
But schools may be driving the numbers and subsequent deaths up. The infection rate amongst primary children appears to have plateaued at 1% but secondary pupils look particularly infectious.
As an aside, it would appear Manchester LA have been briefed that schools will close December 1st.
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The rest of England is quite different from the NW and Yorkshire which is also falling a little - though not as much as NW.

Yorkshire patients fell too to 3038. v 2755 last Sunday. So a bigger week to week rise and the most in the UK and also over their wave 1 peak by more. And ventilators here rose from 206 to 211 v 195 last Sunday.

Midlands patients went up from 2782 to 2850 (it was 2226 last Sunday so a bigger rise of more than a quarter. And ventilators rose from 258 to 267 which means they now have one more than the NW - which has been for months the most hospital patients and ventilated patients and has lost both those unwanted leads to other areas in the past ten days.

Even more notable that the wave is waxing further south as it maybe is on the wane in the NW.

London patients up today from 1177 to 1244. This was 984 last week. So a 26% week on week patient rise versus less than a FIFTH of that in the NW>

Ventilators also up from194 to 202. This was 154 last week - so up by a quarter versus the NW rise of under 2%.

There were also 30% rises in patient numbers week to week in the East and South East regions - and ventilators doubled in the week to 84 in the South East too.

Patient numbers have risen by over 50% in the South West - the area that Boris said a national lockdown should not happen because of places like that where it is not needed. So would be unfair. They have also risen from under 1 or 2 up to a few weeks ago to 58 on ventilators as the NW has been falling.

THere has been a radical change in where this virus seems to be most prevalent right now.
 
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