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oman0115 said:
I've seen worse, I bet there are people on here who will grass up their neighbours.
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If people are blatantly flaunting rules and putting others in danger then fucking right they should be grassed up.
Thankfully I don't have any neighbours to either worry about or grass up.
 
England hospital deaths in detail:

18 Nov adds 69 = 69 after 1 day. (Last wk 39 added). It was 1 May the last time this many were added from the past 24 hours - the first new record in over a week and slightly concerning news.

17 Nov adds 161 = 204 after 2 days (Last wk 151 added = total then of 191), The first over 200 at 2 days for five days. Hopefully not a trend.

16 Nov adds 53 = 226 after 3 days (Last wk 58 added = 261). Rather better number here.

15 Nov adds 23 = 261 after 4 days (Last wk 16 added = 229) . Highest 4 day total since 30 April is another quite concerning push back today. This date could end up going higher than the current wave 2 peak of 9 Nov. First serious threat of that happening in past week. As aside from 9 Nov this day already has more deaths at day 4 than every other day back to 1 May after 5 days.

14 Nov adds 19 = 240 after 5 days, (Last wk 18 added = 253).

Other adds go back to 18 Oct. Those over 1 are 13 Nov adds 6 = 231, 12 Nov adds 3 = 256. 11 Nov adds 3 = 230, 10 Nov adds 3 = 257 and 9 Nov adds 2 to its already second wave high total and reach 293. Highest total since 1 May as the first wave tailed off into Summer.
 
Nebuchadnezzar said:
I'd still rank wishing death on people's relatives for wanting to have a nice couple of days ahead of neighbour grassing to be honest.
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Oh I agree, but it doesn't surprise me. The country is totally split on this and have taken their sides, lock-downs are a very divisive tool. He probably doesn't genuinely mean harm to come to people, but he's part of society who are venomously shaming people who can see what is going on here, and that is the country is getting slowly destroyed and a far bigger problem is being created than this virus would ever be!
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
if everyone wore masks then everyone reduces the spread to each other, it takes one asymptomatic person in a shop not wearing them to undo everyone else's sacrifices and hard work and it's not right.

All the government failures don't excuse people having personal responsibility and basic common decency to wear one.
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Only if you have the virus PATD you cannot spread something you don't have and not if you social distance and have covid safe shops.

Given the droplets are too dense to do anything other than drop onto a flat surface it would be better if everyone wore gloves because its far less likely you will inhale touch your nose and mouth wearing gloves especially leather ones than wearing a mask that itches and scratches and cause acne break outs and rashes and increase the chances of breathing in Co2 etc etc.

Can't figure out why glove sales haven't gone through the roof to be honest.

I don't wear a mask for health reasons , you would be surprised how much damage wearing a mask can do for your long term health particularly if you keep one for long periods of time.

Masks should be individual choice taking your own health and your own circumstance into consideration.

Forcing someone to wear one and having a fine hanging on the end of not wearing one does not for a better more democratic society make.

In saying that its no surprise that on 3.5 per cent of those fined to date in Australia have paid them and the rest won't get prosecuted because prosecutions have ground to a stand still in the Magistrates Courts due to the Covid Response.

i have a case in court against a sociopathic thug going on or not as they case may be at present as the matter has been adjourned for 12 months.

Unheard cases in Melbourne are up 1000 fold in the past 8 months (LOL).

plenty of criminals that should be in jail or sacked from their jobs getting a free pass.

55.6 million cases reported to date probably more like 300 million IMO still only 4 per cent of the world population.

1.3 million reported dead with or from the virus most of those with rather than from probably more like 3 million in truth.

Pandemic yes , high transmission yes , take seriously yes , overreach by government in response yes.

the old saying if you want to waste a dollar give it to governments and bureaucrats to spend , if you want a poor response to a health issue give it to government to handle it.

mental health visitations , elective surgeries , suicides , build up of screens , business collapses , rent reduction , bankruptcies , domestic violence , divorce increased many fold I could go on.

Too many countries have over reacted to the virus , spread unnecessary fear and made poor decisions when it comes to quarantine protocol and not protected the vulnerable.

How about that idiot in New York that sent covid positive people into nursing homes FFS.

He not only should have sacked and replace by a pot plant ( living one ) but court marshalled and jailed to join some covid positive prisoners yet half the population in New York still suffering from Stockholm Syndrome still think he did a good job.
 
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N Ireland data

12 deaths

(details 10 F / 2 M - 10 hospital/2 care homes - ages 4 aged 60 - 79, 8 over 80.

487 cases at 15.5% positive

7 day rolling case total down from 3535 to 3401. Lowest since NI restrictions.

Age range of those 3401

0 - 19 (527), 20 - 39 (1073), 40 - 59 (1043), 60 - 79 (507), 80 + (251)

Patients 456 (up 4)

Ventilated 32 (down 5).
 
Manchester1894 said:
I get you're angry and maybe it's through personal experience. I've two workmates that I know full well haven't been adhereing to guidance. They both have Covid and one has a grandma that now has it. She's well thankfully but it could have been different. but it's good they are safe and well above anything else.

When dealing with this small number of people that just cannot/will not fall in line - the government will be aware that their rules take care of the 90% whereas there will always be the 10% throught accident or sheer ignorance that break the rules. They and the people they mix with both know the risks, but any ill-health will their burden not yours.

Selfishness can also be misinterpreted with human feelings and emotions - their failure isn't necessarily on them, it's in society and the fact they've not been raised in safe and loving environment with good education,
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It’s much more than 10% I’m afraid
 
N Ireland 3 wks ago v 2 wks v last wk v today

Deaths 8 v 8 v 15 v 12 today

Cases 822 v 576 v 548 v 487 - slow but again very steady fall. The NI restrictions seem to have worked best imo.

Any thoughts on why???

7 day rolling cases total 5947 v 4256 v 3835 v 3401 today - showing this fall is real and week round. Not just today.

Patients 361 v 409 v 435 v 456 - less every wk to wk so a steady decrease in the increase %

Ventilated 39 v 42 v 39 v 32 today - undoubtedly the deaths are part of this but the numbers falling over these weeks is good news.
 
The three nations total cases today are 2624.

wk to wk this is:

3325 v 3060 v 2621 v 2624. Stall in action.
 
Total deaths today without the out of hospital from England is 431 up from 411 last week. That 411 became 563 last week on all settings.

The actual number of deaths assigned to the actual date of last weeks reporting (day before = 11 Nov) is 365.
 
mosssideblue said:
I've been extra cautious all year, not seen my family at all this year and we all understand and accept the situation. We will have a mega reunion when a, it is allowed and b, much safer to do so.

Christmas will wait for us this year
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And I respect that to be your choice, and it is a choice we all can make. Somehow we have got to this crazy situation, where seeing your extended family on Christmas is no longer a choice, Hence why so many will be giving the government the middle finger! I know you and a few others on here are really passionate about us all being locked down and are quite terrified of this virus, but don't expect us all to feel the same. And please try not to wish ill or harm on individuals who don't feel how you do.
 
oman0115 said:
And I respect that to be your choice, and it is a choice we all can make. Somehow we have got to this crazy situation, where seeing your extended family on Christmas is no longer a choice, Hence why so many will be giving the government the middle finger! I know you and a few others on here are really passionate about us all being locked down and are quite terrified of this virus, but don't expect us all to feel the same. And please try not to wish ill or harm on individuals who don't feel how you do.
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Care to explain your last sentence?
 
oman0115 said:
And I respect that to be your choice, and it is a choice we all can make.
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This is where I would disagree.

Risk to covid depends on
(1) Overall prevalence - everyone else's behaviour drives this
(2) Your own behaviour

It's not down to individual choice. Our own choices affect everyone else.
 
Some data on age ranges (not my own - from someone who has calculated it via the NHS).

It notes whether or not pre existing conditions were known for the person who died as reported daily by NHS England with the figures I post.

These are just from those England hospital patients in the 37, 470 deaths with positive Covid tests reported up to today and measured across the whole pandemic.


Just 1664 of those 37, 470 had no known pre existing conditions.

Just 4 of them were under 20 and another 38 were aged 20 - 39.

19. 942 of the 37, 470 deaths were over 80 and did have known pre-existing conditions.

Only 1029 of the 37, 470 deaths were aged under 80 and without known conditions

And only 339 of these were under 60.
 
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