Another new Brexit thread

[mcfc1632]

I voted Remain as I thought cooperation was necessary.
Major and Blair refused to trust the people and changed the club we joined without getting the approval of the British people.
By doing so they put in place a chain of events that led to Brexit as the people stopped trusting politicians.
Sadly it is now clear that the EU is a train with one destination - political union. I want no part of that.

I am catching up after not being on for a while

Could it be that some do not understand the truth of your post? - if so, it can only be, IMO, because so they either do not really understand the subject of Brexit or they are just deceiving themselves.

I am amongst many of those that voted Leave who became more determined following the deceit of Major and Blair

I mention that because as I go forward through the thread - I am really hoping to see that the truth of this post of yours has been acknowledged by so many posters - especially Remainers like the one that you are replying to.

 

[west didsblue]

I am catching up after not being on for a while

Could it be that some do not understand the truth of your post? - if so, it can only be, IMO, because so they either do not really understand the subject of Brexit or they are just deceiving themselves.

I am amongst many of those that voted Leave who became more determined following the deceit of Major and Blair

I mention that because as I go forward through the thread - I am really hoping to see that the truth of this post of yours has been acknowledged by so many posters - especially Remainers like the one that you are replying to.

Would that be the John Major that won an election in 1992 following the negotiation of the Maastricht treaty but before ratification when implementation of Maastricht was in the manifesto?

Would that be the Tony Blair that was going to hold a referendum on the 2004 EU constitution as part of the ratification process? The fact that it didn't happen was nothing to do with Blair being deceitful - it was due to the whole thing being cancelled due to rejection by the French and Dutch. If you're on about Lisbon, that was ratified under Brown.

So as usual, you're utterly wrong.

 

[Phil1]

Wonderful. The main man is going to give us two weeks worth of posts over the coming days and I for one, can't wait.

 

[journolud]

I am catching up after not being on for a while

Could it be that some do not understand the truth of your post? - if so, it can only be, IMO, because so they either do not really understand the subject of Brexit or they are just deceiving themselves.

I am amongst many of those that voted Leave who became more determined following the deceit of Major and Blair

I mention that because as I go forward through the thread - I am really hoping to see that the truth of this post of yours has been acknowledged by so many posters - especially Remainers like the one that you are replying to.

Fucking he’ll it’s like going to see a one hit wonder in concert in the hope that there is something more substantial in their songbook. Can you skip the dross and get to the bit where you give us your view on where the negotiations are up to, whether we’re going to get a deal that suits all brexiteers or a fudge, what the resignations of Cummings and Cain means for Brexit and then end with one we can all singalong to, the one that goes, well, you know how it goes

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Fucking he’ll it’s like going to see a one hit wonder in concert in the hope that there is something more substantial in their songbook. Can you skip the dross and get to the bit where you give us your view on where the negotiations are up to, whether we’re going to get a deal that suits all brexiteers or a fudge, what the resignations of Cummings and Cain means for Brexit and then end with one we can all singalong to, the one that goes, well, you know how it goes

I think negotiations are suspended at present due to one of those involved testing positive for covid. As this narrows the already rapidly diminishing window for negotiations I'd imagine it makes 'no deal' more likely although by no means a certainty.

 

[Vic]

This has been a brilliant catch-up exercise so far....

9th of November so far and this section following the US elections and where Biden is being depicted as some white knight has been a real hoot - you are right we Brexiteers must feel distraught that we have caused the UK to lose something that it has not had.

I mean after all these months of there being so many posts from Remainers banging on about how a trade deal with the US will be so savagely one-sided and it would cost the UK on food standards and the privatisation of the NHS......

I for one am certainly not sensing any level of inconsistency

Let me take you back to 26 October.

It seems to me Vics post is a credible description of a no deal impact on the fishing industry. What bit of his description is flawed?
That some of us believe a deal will be done using fishing as a lever in no way invalidates the comment or a belief that fishing might not be enough to get us over the line.

Just on half-term parental duties for a while - will explain later

Why are we waiting, oh why are we waiting?

Bloviating bottler.

 

[Vic]

I think negotiations are suspended at present due to one of those involved testing positive for covid. As this narrows the already rapidly diminishing window for negotiations I'd imagine it makes 'no deal' more likely although by no means a certainty.

If I read it right, it was one of Barnier's team who tested positive so "at their level" they're on video but the real negotiators are still working. As I'm not sure whether Frost is Johnson's mouthpiece (or still working to some weirdo misfit draft by Cummings) or could actually tell Johnson the reality of the damage of not doing a deal, having some junior realists take over from the Brexit idealists might be good.

 

[journolud]

I think negotiations are suspended at present due to one of those involved testing positive for covid. As this narrows the already rapidly diminishing window for negotiations I'd imagine it makes 'no deal' more likely although by no means a certainty.

You may well be right but I need to hear it from @mcfc1632 before I can give it any credence

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Let me take you back to 26 October.




Why are we waiting, oh why are we waiting?

Bloviating bottler.

You are still waiting for sme random dude on the internet to explain something from last month? Congratulations on making such fine use of your life and oxygen consumed during it.

 

[lust overlord]

You are still waiting for sme random dude on the internet to explain something from last month? Congratulations on making such fine use of your life and oxygen consumed during it.

Taking the time to point out that some other random dude on the Internet is wasting his time.
Congratulations ;)

 

[Vic]

You are still waiting for sme random dude on the internet to explain something from last month? Congratulations on making such fine use of your life and oxygen consumed during it.

Have you not followed his style? It's not from last month, it's been all year. Apparently I "twisted his words" three years ago so he refuses to argue with me ("you don't understand, but you need to guess why you're wrong"), but he bottled this one, and it seemed to keep him quiet for a fortnight.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Have you not followed his style? It's not from last month, it's been all year. Apparently I "twisted his words" three years ago so he refuses to argue with me ("you don't understand, but you need to guess why you're wrong"), but he bottled this one, and it seemed to keep him quiet for a fortnight.

I find it hard to believe you would twist anyone's words to suit your own argument Vic - that's just not like you surely?

 

[Vic]

Taking the time to point out that some other random dude on the Internet is wasting his time.
Congratulations ;)

 

[Vic]

I find it hard to believe you would twist anyone's words to suit your own argument Vic - that's just not like you surely?

If that's an accusation, give us an example.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

If that's an accusation, give us an example.

One example may be that you yourself appear think that my comment may be interpreted as sarcasm. I'll leave it with you to decide, but if you never twist anyone's words then you should probably accept it on face value rather than attempt to twist my words ;-)

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[Vic]

One example may be that you yourself appear think that my comment may be interpreted as sarcasm. I'll leave it with you to decide, but if you never twist anyone's words then you should probably accept it on face value rather than attempt to twist my words ;-)

You're supposed to be sarcastic about what other people write, not about what you yourself write.

 

[Vic]

Did I hear right? This year the UK stock market has performed far worse than EU markets, put down to investors anticipating No Deal. Any City (of London) slickers got the memo?

 

[Vic]

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

You're supposed to be sarcastic about what other people write, not about what you yourself write.

I wasn't - you're twisting my words.