COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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Wales 7 day rolling cases total is today 6129 v 6233 a week ago.

Scotland as above 7067 today v 7851 a week ago.
 
I was speaking to my city fan nextdoor neighbour this morning about last nights match . He said he went around to his mates along with 5 others to watch it ! . So which is safer ,going to your mates V going to a pub where you have to sanitize, track & trace , wear a mask and get table service ? .. This isn’t the first time I’ve heard people doing this , ex workmate has a man cave ( bar ) in his garden , where he charges £2 a pint !!!. If the R value continues to stay below 1 I hope we open up in Tier 2
 
itsnevereasy said:
The reason we are being constrained is because of the awful manner that the government have dealt with this. Why should the vast majority have to live under these draconian rules when this virus poses very little risk to them? Those at risk - protect them and as tough as it may be isolate them until a vaccine is available. Ruining the country to protect a very small minority is idiotic when they could be protected in other ways that wouldn’t have involved mass job losses, companies going bust and a huge national debt that the next generation are going to have to suffer for.
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It's called abiding by the laws of the land. Whether we agree with them or not is irrelevant, if we have pockets who think it is OK to become unlawful as they don't see the need for such laws, puts us in shit street
 
N Ireland

10 deaths

6 F / 4 M Ages 40 - 59 (1), 60 - 79 (2) 80 +b (7) all in hospital

342 cases at 15.4% positive.
 
N Ireland 3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v today

Deaths 8 v 7 v 9 v 10 today

Cases 685 v 420 v 472 v 342 today - which is still going well after their circuit breaker. And they have locked down further.

Patients 379 v 396 v 489 v 447 (Friday)

Ventilators 42 v 38 v 39 v 28 (Friday) - big fall here which even with the deaths impacting that looks hopeful.
 
mosssideblue said:
It's called abiding by the laws of the land. Whether we agree with them or not is irrelevant, if we have pockets who think it is OK to become unlawful as they don't see the need for such laws, puts us in shit street
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Which other laws of the land can vary from one street to the next? Postcode laws what a load of bollocks.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Which other laws of the land can vary from one street to the next? Postcode laws what a load of bollocks.
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As I say, you, I or anyone else might not like them, but the majority will adhere.

Let's see what Boris has installed for us all and if you disagree, you have a choice, but it looks like you and one or two others have already decided what you are going to do.
 
mosssideblue said:
It's called abiding by the laws of the land. Whether we agree with them or not is irrelevant, if we have pockets who think it is OK to become unlawful as they don't see the need for such laws, puts us in shit street
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Whether we agree with them or not is hugely relevant, we are not sheep. We didn’t vote for such rules (not laws). People don’t trust what the government are doing because one month we are being told to eat out to help out the next we are told to not leave home again.

What put us in shit street was the governments lack of knowledge and ability to isolate those who could get seriously ill and throwing a blanket approach over the rest of the population. Leaving many more to suffer the mental effects, the loss of jobs and lack of care for other major conditions that has lead to thousands of deaths that wouldn’t have happened.

Life should be enjoyed whilst it can be. Now because of these rules life is going to be a misery for many more than the minority who have become more ill with covid than their underlying health conditions already made them.

Enjoying following the law of land as you put it when those rules don’t allow you to go and work out in a gym to stay fit but allow you to go McDonalds and get fat.
 
itsnevereasy said:
Whether we agree with them or not is hugely relevant, we are not sheep. We didn’t vote for such rules (not laws). People don’t trust what the government are doing because one month we are being told to eat out to help out the next we are told to not leave home again.

What put us in shit street was the governments lack of knowledge and ability to isolate those who could get seriously ill and throwing a blanket approach over the rest of the population. Leaving many more to suffer the mental effects, the loss of jobs and lack of care for other major conditions that has lead to thousands of deaths that wouldn’t have happened.

Life should be enjoyed whilst it can be. Now because of these rules life is going to be a misery for many more than the minority who have become more ill with covid than their underlying health conditions already made them.

Enjoying following the law of land as you put it when those rules don’t allow you to go and work out in a gym to stay fit but allow you to go McDonalds and get fat.
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The government's initial handling was appaling as we knew what was coming and their communications, often ambiguous and untimely have not helped, but if you think those who have ignored the rules haven't made things worse in terms of prolonging the restrictions, then there is nothing left to be said.
 
Truth is tho that most of us would do a far worse job, because we're only really thinking of ourselves.

It's the best we've got. There's no way to please everyone, no perfect set of measures. What we end up with is largely dictated by what various groups will/can be forced to accept. No point in rules for one group who completely disobey them - that would damage the whole. Which is true of everyone who doesn't accept and abide by the rules we have. Every time people see one person give up, or shrug off their responsibility, it makes it more likely that tips the balance for another person to break the rules as they wish. Yep. You likely won't find many people less impressed by the government's handling of this issue. That's not an excuse. You and I still have to do the best we can to make it a success. Give up at your - and everyone else's - peril.
 
So total deaths for UK without England out of hospitals added - always low on Sundays - is 250.

Last Sunday it was only 157.

A rather worrying increase week to week on usually the second lowest day of the week.
 
Healdplace said:
So total deaths for UK without England out of hospitals added - always low on Sundays - is 250.

Last Sunday it was only 157.

A rather worrying increase week to week on usually the second lowest day of the week.
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Gov UK just announced they MISSED 141 deaths yesterday so have had to add them today.

Making a total of 398 today.

There is nothing like a competent recording system for data tracking a pandemic, is there?

And gov uk is sure nothing like one....
 
Healdplace said:
222 England hospital deaths in detail

Sadly we have a new second wave peak day and it has surpassed 300 on that day.

21 Nov adds 20 = 20 after 1 day (Last wk 23 added)

20 Nov adds 117 = 169 after 2 days (Last wk 75 added to = 136 - big jump)

19 Nov adds 49 = 242 after 3 days (Last wk 17 added = 232)

18 Nov adds 15 = 302 after 4 days (Last wk 7 added = 215 - so huge rise here to new high in second wave) - 28 April last time any day has been this high at day 4.

17 April adds 5 = 274 after 5 days (Last wk 7 added = 247).


Other add ons iclude 9 Nov - previous peak of this wave - going up to 297.
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Would hope that shows levelling out. Surely, we should be seeing a consistent reduction by end of next week with the timing of the lockdown
 
kaz7 said:
You are wrong
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No I am not.
I've looked at the science.
People criticised my opinion as cases were not being reported during Christmas week, so I looked at Flu and Pnumonia hospital admissions in the UK and US going back to when Adam was a lad and the same dip is there.
The reason is schools close and work attendance drops.
29% of Covid cases are from school, 15% are from work, the best part of 20% occur in the home from people who bring it home from school or work. Similar factors to what drives Flu.
Close schools for a week and a half before hand and we will be fine.
I'm all for restrictions but let's have them backed by scientific evidence.
 
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