Pep's contract situation | 2 year extension confirmed! (pg1817)

mccity said:
I wish United had been this fickle the first time Ferguson failed to win a PL title after he won the 1st couple, it would have saved us a couple decades of disdain.
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They were chanting ferguson out in the platt lane during the 5-1. That was before his first trophy but he'd spent a fortune.

He certainly wouldn't have put up with a Mahrez, and I don't remember him playing wingers on the wrong wing all the time, City supporters have a right to be disappointed with what we are seeing, the squad are much better than the results and performance's. There's nothing fickle about commenting about what you see, it's clearly not good enough.
 
city2 said:
We are fighting for Top 4 which is embarrassing with the amount we have spent and the players we have, either they are burnt out or just not got the stomach for the fight.
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It happens. Our players and manager are going through a rough patch. Every team needs a rebuild and new solutions every 4 years. I just hope that pep finds solutions and successfully guides us through the rebuild as he did in 2016. Pep has to take some tough decisions
 
After the decade we have enjoyed , i would be quite willing to win f*ck all finish outside the top four have 12-18 months rebuilding for another assault on the title and champs league (as long as the Rags win f*ck all as well :), not sure our owners would have the same patience though

As a City supporter 18 months to turn around our fortunes is absolutely fuck all , i believe in Pep but modern day football means you do not get 12-18 months , but Pep will be slaughtered if he doesnt win a trophy and finish top four.

Would love Pep to ram these words down my throat and we get our act together in the next few months , 100% behind him and he deserves that loyalty for the brilliant three seasons we have enjoyed.
 
I am a Pep fan and want the guy to do well. It goes without saying that the quality of football we've seen over his tenure has been the best football we've ever seen - not just us, but any fan of English football in all of it's history. He wants to create the greatest football team ever made and in the Fourmidables/Centurians he came closer than anyone else has ever done in England.

So, I should be pleased he's signed an extension but it feels non-committal if I'm honest. It's not a long extension and is hard to see how he can rebuild/tweak the team unless we're going to blow the finances apart. Or sign one of the best players in the world. That means in January and in summer we're going to stick 2 fingers right up at UEFA. If not, I don't know what we will do.

I can only assume that the board and Pep are certain that Messi is coming either in January or at the end of the season. It feels as if the the board and Pep have come to the conclusion that the only way we can win the CL is if Pep has Messi. It's that simple. I've seen enough of that rotten competition to know that you need luck, bribery, VAR to look the other way, a competent ref, decent fixtures before and after the game, and even more luck than a multiple national lottery winner. It just feels like the club are throwing the dice on Pep/Messi for 2 seasons. I don't think it will work.

The whole Messi thing is getting silly. He is obviously one of the best players in the world, but at 33 he will soon be retired. Does he have the determination to prove to everyone he can do it in England when he's never left Spain? We are making a huge gamble on a player who has little time left - and he will leave when Pep does. I would love to have seen him at City, but the energy and time we seem to spend on him is ridiculous. It's not like we're signing him when he's had a great send off at Barcelona - we're likely to be signing an unhappy player. I wish we could put the same effort into Haaland, Mbappe etc.

The club just feels listless at the moment, we're neither one thing or another. The manager signs for another couple of years, the team look tired and short of confidence and have little chance of winning the league this year. We look no better prepared to win the CL this year either, if anything we've gone backwards. We aren't learning and we've stopped progressing. This isn't supposed to happen but the league does not lie and we look like a collection of talented players with no idea on what to do.

Pep has been an OUTSTANDING manager and deserves all the praise he gets. But I do feel that it should have been a 4/5 year extension. If this year is a washout - as it's looking at the moment - then it is difficult to see how we become a 80+ points team next season. Given how much the club want the CL, we look no closer to winning it - or know what to do - than we did under Mancini all them years ago.

Pep probably knows, deep down, what to do and I simply don't believe he's really happy playing a right back at left back, picking a 33 year old injury prone striker, hoping his talismanic 35 year old central midfielder is ok etc. He knows what a top class player is like, he's seen plenty in his career and there's not a chance in hell he thinks our squad is good enough. I do think he will get it right again, but I wish he - and the club - had shown more intent and given him a much longer contract.
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
I am a Pep fan and want the guy to do well. It goes without saying that the quality of football we've seen over his tenure has been the best football we've ever seen - not just us, but any fan of English football in all of it's history. He wants to create the greatest football team ever made and in the Fourmidables/Centurians he came closer than anyone else has ever done in England.

So, I should be pleased he's signed an extension but it feels non-committal if I'm honest. It's not a long extension and is hard to see how he can rebuild/tweak the team unless we're going to blow the finances apart. Or sign one of the best players in the world. That means in January and in summer we're going to stick 2 fingers right up at UEFA. If not, I don't know what we will do.

I can only assume that the board and Pep are certain that Messi is coming either in January or at the end of the season. It feels as if the the board and Pep have come to the conclusion that the only way we can win the CL is if Pep has Messi. It's that simple. I've seen enough of that rotten competition to know that you need luck, bribery, VAR to look the other way, a competent ref, decent fixtures before and after the game, and even more luck than a multiple national lottery winner. It just feels like the club are throwing the dice on Pep/Messi for 2 seasons. I don't think it will work.

The whole Messi thing is getting silly. He is obviously one of the best players in the world, but at 33 he will soon be retired. Does he have the determination to prove to everyone he can do it in England when he's never left Spain? We are making a huge gamble on a player who has little time left - and he will leave when Pep does. I would love to have seen him at City, but the energy and time we seem to spend on him is ridiculous. It's not like we're signing him when he's had a great send off at Barcelona - we're likely to be signing an unhappy player. I wish we could put the same effort into Haaland, Mbappe etc.

The club just feels listless at the moment, we're neither one thing or another. The manager signs for another couple of years, the team look tired and short of confidence and have little chance of winning the league this year. We look no better prepared to win the CL this year either, if anything we've gone backwards. We aren't learning and we've stopped progressing. This isn't supposed to happen but the league does not lie and we look like a collection of talented players with no idea on what to do.

Pep has been an OUTSTANDING manager and deserves all the praise he gets. But I do feel that it should have been a 4/5 year extension. If this year is a washout - as it's looking at the moment - then it is difficult to see how we become a 80+ points team next season. Given how much the club want the CL, we look no closer to winning it - or know what to do - than we did under Mancini all them years ago.

Pep probably knows, deep down, what to do and I simply don't believe he's really happy playing a right back at left back, picking a 33 year old injury prone striker, hoping his talismanic 35 year old central midfielder is ok etc. He knows what a top class player is like, he's seen plenty in his career and there's not a chance in hell he thinks our squad is good enough. I do think he will get it right again, but I wish he - and the club - had shown more intent and given him a much longer contract.
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I find this post to have been a good read tbh (even if I don't necessarily agree with it all), but to reassure you on the bolded, last season we had an absolute shocker of a season apparently, with a particularly ropey start after Laporte's injury 4 games in, and still finished with 81 points. In our terribly bad 1st season under Pep we got 78 points. I can't pretend to know if we'll match that or do any better but if our very low bar is somewhere around or near to 80 points it's likely that 80+ points in future years won't be an issue assuming even some small things change for the better.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
Go on then, give us recent examples of successful teams with long serving managers. Because I can't think of any.

People might want a long term manager but we don't need one. There's no reason to think otherwise.

Edit: and Chelsea are the second most successful English club of the last decade after us.
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The pisscan showed that it does work as did Wegner. In both cases our emergence had a major impact. If we provide the right support then why not have the right man in charge for decade's?
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
I can only assume that the board and Pep are certain that Messi is coming either in January or at the end of the season. It feels as if the the board and Pep have come to the conclusion that the only way we can win the CL is if Pep has Messi. It's that simple. I've seen enough of that rotten competition to know that you need luck, bribery, VAR to look the other way, a competent ref, decent fixtures before and after the game, and even more luck than a multiple national lottery winner. It just feels like the club are throwing the dice on Pep/Messi for 2 seasons. I don't think it will work.

The whole Messi thing is getting silly. He is obviously one of the best players in the world, but at 33 he will soon be retired. Does he have the determination to prove to everyone he can do it in England when he's never left Spain? We are making a huge gamble on a player who has little time left - and he will leave when Pep does. I would love to have seen him at City, but the energy and time we seem to spend on him is ridiculous. It's not like we're signing him when he's had a great send off at Barcelona - we're likely to be signing an unhappy player. I wish we could put the same effort into Haaland, Mbappe etc.

The club just feels listless at the moment, we're neither one thing or another. The manager signs for another couple of years, the team look tired and short of confidence and have little chance of winning the league this year. We look no better prepared to win the CL this year either, if anything we've gone backwards. We aren't learning and we've stopped progressing. This isn't supposed to happen but the league does not lie and we look like a collection of talented players with no idea on what to do.

Pep has been an OUTSTANDING manager and deserves all the praise he gets. But I do feel that it should have been a 4/5 year extension. If this year is a washout - as it's looking at the moment - then it is difficult to see how we become a 80+ points team next season. Given how much the club want the CL, we look no closer to winning it - or know what to do - than we did under Mancini all them years ago.

Pep probably knows, deep down, what to do and I simply don't believe he's really happy playing a right back at left back, picking a 33 year old injury prone striker, hoping his talismanic 35 year old central midfielder is ok etc. He knows what a top class player is like, he's seen plenty in his career and there's not a chance in hell he thinks our squad is good enough. I do think he will get it right again, but I wish he - and the club - had shown more intent and given him a much longer contract.
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I don't understand this questioning of Messi, he wouldn't join if he didn't have the determination to do it, would he.
As for putting energy and time into Messi and negating the rest of the team, thats bollocks. Mbappe and Haaland wont be signing and its not because Txiki was incapable of picking the phone up.

The starting 11 that is being put out every week is by and large, all over the place. Pep is seemingly refusing to use his squad properly and that is on him.
Who's fault is it that Pep has to still be reliant on Aguero, Fernandinho and so on?

We are consistently making the same mistakes against the same teams every year. How much more money does Pep need to spend until we don't make the same mistakes every game?

Never mind his obession with decisions such as playing Mahrez who quite frankly has stunk the place out all season.

The players look as confused as he does and that is the biggest issue here. Every time the camera cuts to Pep he looks perplexed as to whats happening and that is scary. What is the excuse for that?

How many more times do we have to concede goals, cut to Pep sipping water and chatting to his assistants and then the same thing happens before it gets a bit tiresome?
 
franksinatra said:
You can question all you want, that is the purpose of a forum, but some of the comments smack of fickleness unless you genuinely think the guy does not have a clue, he is yesterdays manager and the other nonsense posted on here.

As for an 18 mth decline, 18 mths ago I was on a cruise still celebrating a glorious treble, clinched a Month earlier, so no you cant help me with that timeline of events. If anything Norwich could be argued was the start 14/09/2019, but that has not been a linear fall off with many cracking performance in the interim, plus 104 goals last season.

There has been a decline, to finishing second and winning a cup (last year), so yes for me he deserves a chance to resolve the issues, as he did only 3 years previously to set up those two glorious years in our history.
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Out of the title race before December in one of the worst title defences of recent decades, out of the CL and FA Cup against teams we should have battered with performances that were as gutless and inept as they were almost identical, and won the least prestigious trophy of all thanks to Bravo and the crossbar in the last 10 minutes.
Last season was not a success in my opinion, for the team and the club we are now. We are an elite outfit nowadays, just as we have been for much more of our history than people give us credit for.
 
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The other problem Pep has is the standards he sets and achieves are so high. Before he came who'd have ever have thought 198 points in two seasons was attainable. It frankly wasn't, and I doubt we'll see that level by anyone ever again. Even 100 points in a season on its own likely won't be matched.

Then his style of play is being played out at every level or snippets have been taken by other teams, you see Championship sides playing out from the back, which before Pep was extremely rare. Teams did it but not the extent you see it in English football now. He changed the game, people denying that are just blind.

Problem now he faces is his team is tired, and can't sustain the key elements of his game style, the high octane movement, and pressing has fallen away. Key players have lost form, be it cause they're tired and or their standards have slipped. The 198 point level is almost impossible to maintain.

Now we also have the fact that other teams have either a) caught up or b) conceded they can't out play us, so they park the bus and play on the counter. Which is the oldest trick in the book, but it has worked for decades. Hell the Italians have been doing it for decades to win World Cups and countless other examples.

I have no doubt Pep is up for the challenge, he needs to tweak our tactics and his philosophy to suit, or to get ahead of the pack again, and we need to over haul the squad a bit to get there. But I have no doubt he'll get us there again, probably sooner then the naysayers think.

Personally I think he will relish the challenge, he wouldn't have signed a extension if he wasn't up for it.
 
adam.marrett said:
The other problem Pep has is the standards he sets and achieves are so high. Before he came who'd have ever have thought 198 points in two seasons was attainable. It frankly wasn't, and I doubt we'll see that level by anyone ever again. Even 100 points in a season on its own likely won't be matched.

Then his style of play is being played out at every level or snippets have been taken by other teams, you see Championship sides playing out from the back, which before Pep was extremely rare. Teams did it but not the extent you see it in English football now. He changed the game, people denying that are just blind.

Problem now he faces is his team is tired, and can't sustain the key elements of his game style, the high octane movement, and pressing has fallen away. Key players have lost form, be it cause they're tired and or their standards have slipped. The 198 point level is almost impossible to maintain.

Now we also have the fact that other teams have either a) caught up or b) conceded they can't out play us, so they park the bus and play on the counter. Which is the oldest trick in the book, but it has worked for decades. Hell the Italians have been doing it for decades to win World Cups and countless other examples.

I have no doubt Pep is up for the challenge, he needs to tweak our tactics and his philosophy to suit, or to get ahead of the pack again, and we need to over haul the squad a bit to get there. But I have no doubt he'll get us there again, probably sooner then the naysayers think.

Personally I think he will relish the challenge, he wouldn't have signed a extension if he wasn't up for it.
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This is exactly how I feel. I think you've covered what many have (very understandably) taken a bit for granted. The bolded are points that I made earlier in another thread and I think it needs to be known more.
 
bluemoon32 said:
The way we've been playing for over a year now says it is.
Pep doesn't seem to have any answers either
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He Literally said yesterday we will have to find a new way to play and it's MY responsibility to find solutions.
Last year we scored 100+ goals. This year we are not scoring goals. Something is stuck . The team and coach are going through rough patches. It happens and I hope they overcome it.
 
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mancityvstoke said:
I don’t think we are winning the league again this year whether pep stays or goes

We will win stuff again though I believe it because that’s what the owners want too


Can’t win big every year like the old days when Utd and Liverpool did it , they had all the money then
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Decent transfers over the last 2 years and we could have. What about Europe losing against a very average French team and a very average English one the year before? Any big game over the last 18 months and you wouldn’t really back. Us. Even against shite like Arsenal or utd.
 
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