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marcus said:
Whilst i applaud his effort... surely this nob shot his duff weeks ago with his ill advised rant
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He helped to get furloughed staff across the Country 80% of pay but put Manchester in the Government’s firing line. I heard people from the hospitality sector interviewed saying that without tips, the 80% doesn’t work out much more than half of their usual income. If the furloughed pay rate was 67% then I can see more peole would have been struggling.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
He helped to get furloughed staff across the Country 80% of pay but put Manchester in the Government’s firing line. I heard people from the hospitality sector interviewed saying that without tips, the 80% doesn’t work out much more than half of their usual income. If the furloughed pay rate was 67% then I can see more peole would have been struggling.
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Watch the interview with Jon Murray ( former boxer ) on youtube. It gives you an insight to how people are struggling. I consider myself lucky to have a steady job during this.
 
nickmcfc1 said:
Absolutely. For me it's everyone allowed to have fans in or no one. Top clubs will get no revenue from having 2000 supporter's in but the lower end will. Costs more to open up a big ground and staff then leave it empty
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Can’t work out this at all. 2000 or 4000 thousand in the Etihad or Old Trafford isn’t the same as 4000 at craven cottage for example. Surely it should be a ratio of the capacity.
 
England hospital deaths/ NW number / NW % of total 3wks v 2 wks v last wk v today

286 / 100 NW v 317 / 90 NW v 346 / 89 NW v 351 / 81 NW today. NW total is a little up today.

35% v 28% v 26% 25% - slower fall than on other days but still falling every week

This is a better way to judge if deaths are rising a lot or little rather than the differing numbers every day that rely on the way out of hospital data is added.

As you can see the NW is falling nationally still but less than it was. And over those weeks just a rise of 65 and over the last two just a rise of 34 is not a sign of this being a steep upward rise as it was in the first wave.
 
Had we gone into tier 3 straight away, I wonder where we’d be at right now? Unfortunately this tier 3 lockdown will be the end of some businesses, Burnham has blood on his hands.
 
Tue/Wed/Thu are the days when most deaths tend to be reported.

Last week they were 330/282/346 = totalling 958.

This week they were 353/353/351 = totalling 1057.
 
Healdplace said:
I don't think this has much to do with people giving up on the rules and more to do with politicians giving up on the people unless they do what they are told.

People in GM and Liverpool have not behaved differently, The protest marches all over London show they have not had compliance either. There is a general disenchantment with the rules and creating multiple tiers and dividing the nation is going to make that worse not better. But it shifts the blame onto the people in the 'not me guv' way all politicians adopt by second nature. They know a reckoning is coming next year when this is all over.

Cases have plummeted across the NW in past weeks. I know most of you do not read my reports every evening but if you just go back and glance at the GM tables with them every evening around 4/5/6 pm and the updates daily on places like Liverpool you will see.

Liverpool had been in their wave less time when the government acted. They were for a brief period MUCH worse than Greater Manchester. So it fell naturally after that peak. GM had been under restrictions since late July so plateaued and was not rising but not really falling.

The student numbers had a much bigger effect on GM than anywhere in the UK. The redistribution of cases when some genius belatedly figured out after many weeks that students lived where they were staying at university not hundreds of miles away where their parents did had by far the biggest impact in GM adding 4000 cases - mostly to Manchester. More than every other university city and a lot more than Liverpool.

We only got out of the impact of that artificially kicking up numbers this week.

It will be interesting to see if the different rules push Merseyside up and GM keeps falling.

That is perfectly possible. If that happens Merseyside might be in tier 3 and GM in tier 2 in a few weeks.

Multiple factors explain where we are and Liverpool is slightly below where GM is right now. But not by much. And I doubt it had anything to do with complying with the rules better and getting the doggy treat of mass testing.

But it certainly benefits both the government and Merseyside to suggest that.
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can you not get yourself on SAGE , you are one of the few people who talks common sense
 
twosips said:
Defo that, but what's gone under the radar is that an awful lot of people are still just at work in offices, shops etc. I know a few friends who are back in offices as their bosses are forcing them to be, despite the advice to work from home. That of course has an impact. One of my closest mates was told to come in despite being unwell until she got an actual positive test (she did, and she did have it...worrying)
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It absolutely boggles my mind that work are happy to risk an outbreak by having a full office but theyve managed to get this far without a positive case so i guess they are just crossing fingers. Funnily enough I've been full of a cold this past week and quite a few people are under the weather (I literally only go to work and home) but no symptoms of covid thankfully.
 
The Northern Baptist said:
Had we gone into tier 3 straight away, I wonder where we’d be at right now? Unfortunately this tier 3 lockdown will be the end of some businesses, Burnham has blood on his hands.
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I really think there is little evidence that it would have made more than minimal difference. The biggest drop has come in the national restrictions over the past month. Not in the period of tier 3 for the two regions. Though they had more impact on Merseyside than in most of GM. Probably as numbers had already started going down in Liverpool by then.

The sensible thing might have been to keep the national restrictions going until just before Christmas. Which is sure to impact numbers everywhere. Then introduce these tiers based on in what way cases tick up because of the Christmas truce.
 
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Healdplace said:
Not quite true. If you look at my reports each evening.

Liverpool city has been under 100 cases for the past 4 days. Manchester has yet to ever go below 100 a day and was double Liverpool yesterday.

Things have got a lot better in GM and we are coming out of it. But Merseyside started to come out of it first and has got lower. Whether that was because they adopted the restrictions without a fight is another matter.

But the fact it happened allows a justification. If a thin one.

London however is utterly ridiculous as its numbers are going upwards. It is having rising patient numbers. And more on ventilators,

These decisions are made partly on health grounds but politics has undoubtedly been a factor.

Sadly the result will be anger and less compliance in GM because of perceived unfairness.

Yet another own goal.
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Yeah, I’ve no issues with Liverpool getting put into tier 2.
 
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