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If anyone wants to see why numbers are high and deaths are high in certain areas look at janaza announcement on Facebook
 
Let's face it the current tiers are lockdown version 3
Just with a different name.
The cure is worse than the disease.
This government will never be forgiven.
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
Let's face it the current tiers are lockdown version 3
Just with a different name.
The cure is worse than the disease.
This government will never be forgiven.
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politics thread please for your constant criticism and ill informed sniping at our hard working, significant working majority, elected government (still in the lead in recent polls) and who have offered the third most comprehensive support package during covid of any country in the world. Testing more people than anywhere in Europe and invested in 355 million vaccines (More per capita than any single country in the world) and led by a charismatic man doing his best to keep positive and keep everyone’s spirits up. (supported by the wonderful chancellor)

Ps - check out the Boris Johnson supporters page on Facebook. I have been made a moderator this week! Len rum has just joined although I have had to ban him from the Jacob Rees Mogg appreciation society pages as that went above his head.
 
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worsleyweb said:
politics thread please for your constant criticism of our hard working, significant working majority, elected government (still in the lead in recent polls)
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Fair enough doesn't mean to say I have to like them
 
They found about 700 people from almost 250,000 tests on Merseyside which sounds like a logistical nightmare but if you take 700 people out of transmission chains that's quite significant ( if the R is 1 then that 700 pass it on to 700 and on it goes). Next stop seems to be Birmingham. I think local authorities have the stocks but they have to get central government logistical support.

I hope to see this in Manchester. I'd like to get a local test in Manchester before meeting people at Christmas but there's no indication that this is in the pipeline.

Elsewhere I read in the press that the Pfizer vaccine is expected in hospitals around 7th December and just waiting on MHRA approval to start vaccinating health workers but some logistical concerns about how to get it to GPs and carehomes without damaging stability of the vaccine.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Really? Is this correct?

www.independent.co.uk

Almost 9,000 people could be prosecuted for not paying coronavirus-related fines

Lawyer says people are being ‘unfairly criminalised’ amid wrongful prosecutions and disproportionate fining of black men
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

For a start It goes against natural justice in that there is no right of appeal, I accept that is a price worth paying due to the exceptional circumstances we find ourselves in but we already know that fines have been given out incorrectly. Do you not think the police marching people to cash points for fines which you can't appeal is open to potential abuse and corruption?
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To be honest i dont really care. it works in Europe and we should do the same here. Just change the law if needed. Compliance is far more important than the rights of some snowflake in this instance. These people are just plain ignorant and putting others at risk and prolonging the pajn for everybody. As regards your last point sorry but thats a silly excuse for not being tough on stupid rule breakers.
 
paulchapo said:
She doesn't, she would be taking those services away from people not physically able to get to a shop. She can she just can't wear a mask. She is legally entitled to go and do her shopping without one without being confronted, threated, kicked out of the store and fined. Whether you or the police or the shop like it or not that is the law. Like the police should do I suggest you go to the government site and read the law on mask exemptions.

I find it uncomfortable to wear one after having pleurisy some time ago and mild asthma. I find breathing difficult and the mask makes me cough a lot, which causes alarm in some others as they think I have covid. I can bear it so I wear it. The reason is I know, like this woman, if I didn't I would face confrontation from shoppers, shop workers and possibly the police. A head injury five years ago means I am liable to lose my temper very quickly if confronted or put into a stressful situation. I am getting better at managing it but it can still be unpredictable. To avoid a violent confrontation I wear the mask. Funny though at the peak of the pandemic I didn't have to and numerous experts said they were of little use.
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Just wear a visor, far less invasive than a mask and very easy to wear.
 
paulchapo said:

Exemption cards​

If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:

  • you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this
  • you do not need show an exemption card
This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering.

However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.

Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law.
If you wish to use an exemption card or badge, you can download exemption card templates. You can then print these yourself or show them on a mobile device. Please note that the government is not able to provide physical exemption cards or badges.

So the woman had done the right thing downloading something from the internet to try and be helpful. Legally she wasn't obliged to do so or produce any evidence.
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The police have zero powers to do anything about it or indeed do much to stop dickheads head's being dickhead's It's a fucking farce and one of the reasons we're in the state we're in.
Folks should have to at least wear a visor
 
lancs blue said:
Are you sure about that, a supermarket or shop is private property and I imagine they can refuse entry or service to whoever they choose.
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They can but they don't.
In fact the supermarkets have been very slack and I thought they were bad enough in March/Aoril/May.
Back then you didn't get in unless you cleaned the trolly handle and sanitised your hands.
 
BlueAnorak said:
They can but they don't.
In fact the supermarkets have been very slack and I thought they were bad enough in March/Aoril/May.
Back then you didn't get in unless you cleaned the trolly handle and sanitised your hands.
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Traffic light system in use here. Only enter on green and having wiped hands and trolley. Masks required unless exempt.
 
paulchapo said:
Is that Wim Hof you mean regarding cold water therapy? He has had some medically tested remarkable results for himself and others using that and breathing techniques.
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Yes - I’m sure there are other proponents of this type of therapy too.
I’ve not tried tbf but there’s lots too f interesting data from it.
I think being as active as you possibly can and taking the right supplements will go someway towards having better overall health.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Really? Is this correct?

www.independent.co.uk

Almost 9,000 people could be prosecuted for not paying coronavirus-related fines

Lawyer says people are being ‘unfairly criminalised’ amid wrongful prosecutions and disproportionate fining of black men
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

For a start It goes against natural justice in that there is no right of appeal, I accept that is a price worth paying due to the exceptional circumstances we find ourselves in but we already know that fines have been given out incorrectly. Do you not think the police marching people to cash points for fines which you can't appeal is open to potential abuse and corruption?
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They're loving their new powers, walking round like they're chewing gum between their butt cheeks
 
paulchapo said:

Exemption cards​

If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:

  • you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this
  • you do not need show an exemption card
This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering.

However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.

Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law.
If you wish to use an exemption card or badge, you can download exemption card templates. You can then print these yourself or show them on a mobile device. Please note that the government is not able to provide physical exemption cards or badges.

So the woman had done the right thing downloading something from the internet to try and be helpful. Legally she wasn't obliged to do so or produce any evidence.
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My point being, they're in almost an impossible situation with so many rules which are changing almost by the week. Aside from dealing with everything else they get on with, and working throughout this going in and out of homes where in a lot of cases come into contact with people who perhaps don't all keep the best of hygiene putting themselves at risk. All this and they have to contend with Joe public shoving phones in their faces for some likes on the Internet at any given opportunity.

Nah, sorry, it wouldn't be me.
 
The recent official NHS statistics of Hospital Covid deaths show of the 39750 hospital deaths just 1723 had no 'pre-existing condition' (heart disease,diabetes,etc) . Almost 1400 of those 1723 were in the over 60 age bracket.
 
Late last night I posted a table of the 10 GM boroughs over the past 6 weeks to show how their weekly Pop number changed day to day (or rather every couple of days for simplicity).

If you look at it you can see everywhere seemed to behave in much the same way and was rising up to around the 3/4 November when it pretty much peaked and then started to fall - in some cases quite sharply - almost immediately and has been falling ever since.

I don't know how that squares with the different measures being imposed as it has been more like the hokey cokey than a long term plan in the NW.

But anyone who does know the details of when measures were introduced, changed or ended can plot them via that data on page 7279,

I would be curious if it reveals what has/has not worked to tip this into decline.

Though it may be that it was simply the wave running its course in the NW first as it had been in full flow here longer than most other places.
 
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