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stonerblue said:
Not just about second homes though.
What about those that wanna go and find a better life or job or those that annually spend half the year working there?
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You will still be able to do that - just not as a right - you will be treated the same as an Argentinian or a Zambian looking for work and to live there - there will be hoops you have to jump through there will be terms you have to meet - you know like the ones the UK are placing on wannabe new entrants from the EU?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Have a look at the best secret brands - mostly (like most clothes) imported from China /SE Asia so EU imposes tariffs much higher than the WTO ones we would be imposing after brexit. There is obviously a whole other debate to be had about importing cheap fashion from the far east which is ethnically and environmentally questionable to say the least.
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I doubt the difference in tariffs on 80% discounted fashion brands will make that much difference. The decision not to trade in the UK is more likely that it’s not worth the effort in terms of the additional work and costs involved i.e. the non-tariff barriers. It also assumes we will not impose our own tariffs. Both the US and EU impose higher tariffs on clothes so there is little reason to doubt we will not do similar.

Since the purpose of tariffs is to deter overseas competition in favour of domestic industries and given the ethical and environmental arguments over importing cheap clothes from China etc., I would assume that imposing higher tariffs would be welcome in order to deter this trade. Not an argument I favour personally, but it is a legitimate one.

I am still unclear why a German based business deciding to cease trading in the UK is a cause for celebration. I am also unclear whether you favour higher or lower tariffs.
 
bluethrunthru said:
You will still be able to do that - just not as a right - you will be treated the same as an Argentinian or a Zambian looking for work and to live there - there will be hoops you have to jump through there will be terms you have to meet - you know like the ones the UK are placing on wannabe new entrants from the EU?
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And the chances of that with the high unemployment following Covid are ?
 
BobKowalski said:
I doubt the difference in tariffs on 80% discounted fashion brands will make that much difference. The decision not to trade in the UK is more likely that it’s not worth the effort in terms of the additional work and costs involved i.e. the non-tariff barriers. It also assumes we will not impose our own tariffs. Both the US and EU impose higher tariffs on clothes so there is little reason to doubt we will not do similar.

Since the purpose of tariffs is to deter overseas competition in favour of domestic industries and given the ethical and environmental arguments over importing cheap clothes from China etc., I would assume that imposing higher tariffs would be welcome in order to deter this trade. Not an argument I favour personally, but it is a legitimate one.

I am still unclear why a German based business deciding to cease trading in the UK is a cause for celebration. I am also unclear whether you favour higher or lower tariffs.
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We could of course impose our own tariffs even higher than the EU, but i see no reason why. I don't see the UK textile industry competing with the far east ever - that ship pretty much sailed post-war as the many demolished / converted mills around Mcr show. There is certainly a discussion to be had about the ethics of the fashion industry, but as a nation we tend to make sympathetic noises before going ahead and filling our wardrobes with George / primark gear.
I'm not celebrating the demise of UK trading with a German based business, but it does rather confirm that the cost of an all-American pair of levis (made in China) will be cheaper imported from China under WTO than EU tariffs. The ethical discussion is entirely worthy btw, but also entirely separate.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
We could of course impose our own tariffs even higher than the EU, but i see no reason why. I don't see the UK textile industry competing with the far east ever - that ship pretty much sailed post-war as the many demolished / converted mills around Mcr show. There is certainly a discussion to be had about the ethics of the fashion industry, but as a nation we tend to make sympathetic noises before going ahead and filling our wardrobes with George / primark gear.
I'm not celebrating the demise of UK trading with a German based business, but it does rather confirm that the cost of an all-American pair of levis (made in China) will be cheaper imported from China under WTO than EU tariffs. The ethical discussion is entirely worthy btw, but also entirely separate.
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I seem to recall we intend to put up tariffs between 8% and 12% on clothing in the event of no deal which would presumably apply to the clothing made in, or coming from, the EU which currently attracts no tariffs.

Jeans from China may be a tad cheaper dependent on what tariffs we ultimately decide on, but not sure I would hang my hat on that possibility. Any difference in pricing via a percentage point or two on tariffs from China are going to get swallowed up by the imposition of tariffs on goods currently exempt.

Still, no decision on a deal has been made, but it is interesting to see how businesses, supply chains etc are reconfiguring in light of the increased costs and trade barriers in doing business with the UK. A deal will have some mitigating impact on these costs and barriers, but not eliminate them altogether.
 
Discount designer clothes time.

I think I prefer fish and folding bikes but I'm certain they will get a mention again soon enough.
 
blueinsa said:
Discount designer clothes time.

I think I prefer fish and folding bikes but I'm certain they will get a mention again soon enough.
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Leaving aside the specifics how do you think the negotiations are shaping up as we get close to the crunch? Is Brexit looking like it will deliver all you hope for?

Do you anticipate any impact on your business (genuine question, I recall you as being an online merchant, not sure if this extends to Europe or just UK and/ or whether you rely on EU supply lines)
 
journolud said:
Leaving aside the specifics how do you think the negotiations are shaping up as we get close to the crunch? Is Brexit looking like it will deliver all you hope for?

Do you anticipate any impact on your business (genuine question, I recall you as being an online merchant, not sure if this extends to Europe or just UK and/ or whether you rely on EU supply lines)
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Can't see Brexit helping.

https://simplyvat.com/selling-on-amazon-after-brexit-changes-to-fulfilment/
 
jaseirai said:
Looks like that went up last night. If it is a mistake, it's been wrong for an awfully long time.
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It's still got the get-out: "It will be updated if anything changes."

Sorry, it's still got the farcical get-out, "It will be updated if anything changes."
 
journolud said:
Leaving aside the specifics how do you think the negotiations are shaping up as we get close to the crunch? Is Brexit looking like it will deliver all you hope for?

Do you anticipate any impact on your business (genuine question, I recall you as being an online merchant, not sure if this extends to Europe or just UK and/ or whether you rely on EU supply lines)
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Negotiations are going exactly how i thought they always would....right to the last minute.

Success/failure of the UK's decision to leave the EU will be judged in the coming years when any deal/no deal scenario can be seen working/not working and not now because some don't like us leaving regardless.

My business is fine as things stand. I supply solely to the UK market. If tariffs on goods change coming in from Germany change then they change for everyone in our sector. Our prices with our distributor are fixed for 12 months in advance and as of this week, whilst the outcome of talks is still an unknown, they are not worried re supply or future pricing but as with everything in business, if changes are needed then changes will happen. I fear the likes of Amazon selling stock at prices vastly under UK RRP than I do brexit and they are far more of a threat to me and many other sellers in the UK imo.
 
blueinsa said:
Negotiations are going exactly how i thought they always would....right to the last minute.

Success/failure of the UK's decision to leave the EU will be judged in the coming years when any deal/no deal scenario can be seen working/not working and not now because some don't like us leaving regardless.

My business is fine as things stand. I supply solely to the UK market. If tariffs on goods change coming in from Germany change then they change for everyone in our sector. Our prices with our distributor are fixed for 12 months in advance and as of this week, whilst the outcome of talks is still an unknown, they are not worried re supply or future pricing but as with everything in business, if changes are needed then changes will happen. I fear the likes of Amazon selling stock at prices vastly under UK RRP than I do brexit and they are far more of a threat to me and many other sellers in the UK imo.
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If tariffs change? 20 business days to go and you don't know (haven't looked to see?) if your supplies would be subject to tariffs? Have you checked your contract to see who would pay tariffs on goods where the tariffs were applied after the contract was signed?
 
On the earlier discussion regarding expats - theta an awful lot of pensioners in my neck of the woods who have been left high and dry because of Brexit.
The cold hard facts are they don’t have enough money in the bank that means they are entitled to a SIP card (access to public healthcare)and they can’t afford to pay for private health.
These are your normal, working class who thought they could enjoy retirement as their pension would go much further than it does in the U.K.
To get residency requires a certain amount in the bank again and the new TIE cards also require things most haven’t given a second thought about before now.
It’s a shame, it’s people’s lives but as some have alluded to, it’s not their problem so who cares..
Oh, not one of the ones I talk to voted for Brexit so I won’t be laughing at their predicament any time soon.
 
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blueinsa said:
Negotiations are going exactly how i thought they always would....right to the last minute.

Success/failure of the UK's decision to leave the EU will be judged in the coming years when any deal/no deal scenario can be seen working/not working and not now because some don't like us leaving regardless.

My business is fine as things stand. I supply solely to the UK market. If tariffs on goods change coming in from Germany change then they change for everyone in our sector. Our prices with our distributor are fixed for 12 months in advance and as of this week, whilst the outcome of talks is still an unknown, they are not worried re supply or future pricing but as with everything in business, if changes are needed then changes will happen. I fear the likes of Amazon selling stock at prices vastly under UK RRP than I do brexit and they are far more of a threat to me and many other sellers in the UK imo.
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Does any single ingredient of what you sell ... start in the EU? Any part of the whole? because if it does .... youre f@cked.
 
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