Another new Brexit thread

[blueparrot]

"We will get a deal - probably late November time" - says the head of Labour Leave in an article on 1st December

With this government late November next year quite likely.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Not just about second homes though.
What about those that wanna go and find a better life or job or those that annually spend half the year working there?

You will still be able to do that - just not as a right - you will be treated the same as an Argentinian or a Zambian looking for work and to live there - there will be hoops you have to jump through there will be terms you have to meet - you know like the ones the UK are placing on wannabe new entrants from the EU?

 

[Blue Hefner]

Express getting twitchy.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...boris-johnson-withdrawal-agreement-labour-spt

So Boris Johnson isn’t Brexity enough, it was only a matter of time

 

[BobKowalski]

Have a look at the best secret brands - mostly (like most clothes) imported from China /SE Asia so EU imposes tariffs much higher than the WTO ones we would be imposing after brexit. There is obviously a whole other debate to be had about importing cheap fashion from the far east which is ethnically and environmentally questionable to say the least.

I doubt the difference in tariffs on 80% discounted fashion brands will make that much difference. The decision not to trade in the UK is more likely that it’s not worth the effort in terms of the additional work and costs involved i.e. the non-tariff barriers. It also assumes we will not impose our own tariffs. Both the US and EU impose higher tariffs on clothes so there is little reason to doubt we will not do similar.

Since the purpose of tariffs is to deter overseas competition in favour of domestic industries and given the ethical and environmental arguments over importing cheap clothes from China etc., I would assume that imposing higher tariffs would be welcome in order to deter this trade. Not an argument I favour personally, but it is a legitimate one.

I am still unclear why a German based business deciding to cease trading in the UK is a cause for celebration. I am also unclear whether you favour higher or lower tariffs.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

You will still be able to do that - just not as a right - you will be treated the same as an Argentinian or a Zambian looking for work and to live there - there will be hoops you have to jump through there will be terms you have to meet - you know like the ones the UK are placing on wannabe new entrants from the EU?

And the chances of that with the high unemployment following Covid are ?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I doubt the difference in tariffs on 80% discounted fashion brands will make that much difference. The decision not to trade in the UK is more likely that it’s not worth the effort in terms of the additional work and costs involved i.e. the non-tariff barriers. It also assumes we will not impose our own tariffs. Both the US and EU impose higher tariffs on clothes so there is little reason to doubt we will not do similar.

Since the purpose of tariffs is to deter overseas competition in favour of domestic industries and given the ethical and environmental arguments over importing cheap clothes from China etc., I would assume that imposing higher tariffs would be welcome in order to deter this trade. Not an argument I favour personally, but it is a legitimate one.

I am still unclear why a German based business deciding to cease trading in the UK is a cause for celebration. I am also unclear whether you favour higher or lower tariffs.

We could of course impose our own tariffs even higher than the EU, but i see no reason why. I don't see the UK textile industry competing with the far east ever - that ship pretty much sailed post-war as the many demolished / converted mills around Mcr show. There is certainly a discussion to be had about the ethics of the fashion industry, but as a nation we tend to make sympathetic noises before going ahead and filling our wardrobes with George / primark gear.
I'm not celebrating the demise of UK trading with a German based business, but it does rather confirm that the cost of an all-American pair of levis (made in China) will be cheaper imported from China under WTO than EU tariffs. The ethical discussion is entirely worthy btw, but also entirely separate.

 

[west didsblue]

I am still unclear why a German based business deciding to cease trading in the UK is a cause for celebration. I am also unclear whether you favour higher or lower tariffs.

So is he.

 

[west didsblue]

"We will get a deal - probably late November time" - says the head of Labour Leave in an article on 1st December

Fits in with the general standard of reporting in the Express.

 

[BobKowalski]

We could of course impose our own tariffs even higher than the EU, but i see no reason why. I don't see the UK textile industry competing with the far east ever - that ship pretty much sailed post-war as the many demolished / converted mills around Mcr show. There is certainly a discussion to be had about the ethics of the fashion industry, but as a nation we tend to make sympathetic noises before going ahead and filling our wardrobes with George / primark gear.
I'm not celebrating the demise of UK trading with a German based business, but it does rather confirm that the cost of an all-American pair of levis (made in China) will be cheaper imported from China under WTO than EU tariffs. The ethical discussion is entirely worthy btw, but also entirely separate.

I seem to recall we intend to put up tariffs between 8% and 12% on clothing in the event of no deal which would presumably apply to the clothing made in, or coming from, the EU which currently attracts no tariffs.

Jeans from China may be a tad cheaper dependent on what tariffs we ultimately decide on, but not sure I would hang my hat on that possibility. Any difference in pricing via a percentage point or two on tariffs from China are going to get swallowed up by the imposition of tariffs on goods currently exempt.

Still, no decision on a deal has been made, but it is interesting to see how businesses, supply chains etc are reconfiguring in light of the increased costs and trade barriers in doing business with the UK. A deal will have some mitigating impact on these costs and barriers, but not eliminate them altogether.

 

[blueinsa]

Discount designer clothes time.

I think I prefer fish and folding bikes but I'm certain they will get a mention again soon enough.