Return of Supporters

No supporters should be allowed until every club can have the same. Two thousand or not it's still an added advantage.
We are in a title race with Liverpool and thanks to Boris clashing with Andy Burnham the scousers have fans back and we don’t. I understand the financial reasons, I understand the scientific reasons, I understand the political reasons but from a fair sporting perspective it is wrong and will in itself have an influence on the league. Thanks Boris, you dishevelled baboon.
 
Too be honest I don’t get the unfair advantage argument of having 2,000-4,000 fans in a stadium where we have none , it’s hardly going to be intimidating we’ve played places where we’ve been allowed to attend and it’s just the same ,the players won’t bat an eye lid if anything it’ll spur them them on .
The size of our back room team will nearly even the numbers up anyway :)
 
Fans having concerns about arbitrary ticket allocations or the majority of available seats going to corporates is moaning.

First they came for the communists..
 
We are in a title race with Liverpool and thanks to Boris clashing with Andy Burnham the scousers have fans back and we don’t. I understand the financial reasons, I understand the scientific reasons, I understand the political reasons but from a fair sporting perspective it is wrong and will in itself have an influence on the league. Thanks Boris, you dishevelled baboon.

in all likelihood, tomorrow will be the only home PL match we’re not allowed fans whilst others are.. so hopefully it won’t make any difference at all
 
As per usual we're scratching around looking for how a return of supporters might work and fed off scraps from PB and others. North London derby this weekend. Here's how Spurs are leading the way and informing their fans.

As I read this the criteria for a supporter to get into the ground is

1. be a season ticket holder or appropriate stakeholder (unlikely “Cityzen non ST member” in our case)
2. Provide valid photo ID? Before hand
3. Deferring ST to 21/22 (6 games owed) or requested refund. I don’t believe anyone specifically requested to defer on medical grounds at city at this stage and therefore can’t apply like Spurs? Therefore either you buy a ticket or use 1 credit until everyone had a go who wants to.
4. Complete an universal premier league health questionnaire 72 hours before the game.
5. Must be able to receive a ticket contactless so have a smartphone. My father has a £10 phone and May affect non tech fans. Small number never the less.
6. Arrive at a specific entry time. Okay fair enough like a movie or train
7. All other health and safety measures set by govt. masks, temp checks and sanitiser. Standard

Unknowns.
1. The applicants will have to be from “M” postcode? Personally I’m from NI so little or no chance of travel as I would need a flight or ferry and we don’t have tier system here...just lockdown until 11th. I know many ST holders are from the other areas outside of Manchester but within 10/20 miles so grey area ( eg Stockport) or Scotland, Wales, ROI, the south etc etc.
 
Unknowns.
1. The applicants will have to be from “M” postcode? Personally I’m from NI so little or no chance of travel as I would need a flight or ferry and we don’t have tier system here...just lockdown until 11th. I know many ST holders are from the other areas outside of Manchester but within 10/20 miles so grey area ( eg Stockport) or Scotland, Wales, ROI, the south etc etc.
All of Greater Manchester is lumped together so it wouldn't just be M postcodes
 
I might just be a cynical ****, but money will talk.

Sponsors, box holders, suite attendees, tunnel club folk and the high end SC holders will get first pick..

To be honest though I don't want to go the match if i cant go for a beer in town, have a beer at the game, have some more beers afters anyway.

Going the game for me has always been about the social occasion, the game is the reason i meet my mates. I don't want to go on my own, sit on my own and go home on my own. I can watch at home on my own and at it least its warm and i can have a fag.
 
I might just be a cynical ****, but money will talk.

Sponsors, box holders, suite attendees, tunnel club folk and the high end SC holders will get first pick..

To be honest though I don't want to go the match if i cant go for a beer in town, have a beer at the game, have some more beers afters anyway.

Going the game for me has always been about the social occasion, the game is the reason i meet my mates. I don't want to go on my own, sit on my own and go home on my own. I can watch at home on my own and at it least its warm and i can have a fag.
I’m really not sure which way the club will go.

I’m in corporate but would I pay top dollar for a watered down version of it, no I wouldn’t but I also wouldn’t blame the club if thats the route they took until capacity is increased.
 
Does anyone know what happens if you are suddenly told to isolate just hours before a game?
I was sent home from work at 3pm a few weeks back and told to isolate for 2 weeks after coming into contact with someone who had tested positive.
So what would have happened had I had a ticket for a game that kicked off at 7.45pm?
Under regulations I would not have been allowed to attend but I couldn't have passed my ticket on to anyone either.
So do I get a full refund, no questions asked?
 
Does anyone know what happens if you are suddenly told to isolate just hours before a game?
I was sent home from work at 3pm a few weeks back and told to isolate for 2 weeks after coming into contact with someone who had tested positive.
So what would have happened had I had a ticket for a game that kicked off at 7.45pm?
Under regulations I would not have been allowed to attend but I couldn't have passed my ticket on to anyone either.
So do I get a full refund, no questions asked?
Nobody knows anything yet and until it’s confirmed we can have fans in the ground I doubt we will hear anything.
 
in all likelihood, tomorrow will be the only home PL match we’re not allowed fans whilst others are.. so hopefully it won’t make any difference at all
I hope you are right, but it still is damaging to the integrity of the competition, and what if you are not right? Lockdown has affected games in all its forms at all levels, I seriously think both this season and last season’s trophies should should have an asterisk against them (except our league cup which was over and done with before measures were put in place).
 
A lot depends on whether the Pfizer vaccine is sterilising in a significant number. If it is then the R falls below 1, the epidemic falls away and material risk will change fast. The question then of how fast football returns will be down to risk aversion and state of mind.

In the 1990s we had respiratory illnesses in the WInter months that led to mortailty rates that are comparable to today and yet we went to the football, and society functioned as normal. The difference then was that we knew in the Spring that the illness would pass because we had seen it all before. It always happened this way.

Covid19 was different. It was new. My hope now is that the Pfizer vaccine is sterilising and that then people's attitudes change and change fast so that normality can return.

I am not going to start thinking about do I want to watch football with 2,000 others. I don't. I'm watching the vaccination rate, and the infection levels. If the R falls below 1 permanently and Covid19 starts to dwindle then rational people will be pushing for the end of all lockdown measures.
 

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