They couldnt give a fuck mate.Guess what? They are back tracking on the manifesto pledge to get super fast broadband out to everyone as the funds for the commitment are slashed.........still that stops the plebs working from home and gets them back in the workplace eh? Shame that you have to access benefits on line too.......win win is that for the Tories and their paymasters not a great example of levelling up though
What have they got right?Fauci has apologised and retracted his comments.
The key is to be objective, hammer them when they fuck up and they often do, but then admit when they do get the odd thing correct.
This lot are determined to keep exams this year. They want to 'level' the playing field for all students by making the exams easier. How does that "level" the playing field? It just makes it easier for those who are able to get to school or have better support from home to get better grades - Those in less disadvantaged areas. This lot do not give a sh1t. It makes me so angry.
I am not a fan of exams at all, i wasn't very good at them for a start.If they wanted to ''level the playing field'' they would insist that Private School pupils sat the same GCSE and 'A' level exam papers as state schools and not fall back on the International versions.
The furlough scheme has saved a huge amount of jobs, a huge amount.What have they got right?
Yet was nowhere near as comprehensive schemes across the rest of EuropeThe furlough scheme has saved a huge amount of jobs, a huge amount.
They didn't have to draw a line, it was a political choice.People will say that some were left behind but they had to draw a line with it and the self employed not taking a proper salary I do feel for but it would be very difficult for the government to pay money without that evidence of earnings, it would have been very tricky. I do know self employed people who are struggling so that is personal to me but I think they got it just about right.
The Government will claim this as a success, but it was the Pharma companies who succeeded.We will be vaccinating people first, the very first people in the world vaccinated at scale will be Britons, which means our lives will be back to normal before any other nation that’s also crippled with this thing.
Coronavirus: World leaders pledge billions for vaccine fight - BBC NewsWe also have given more money than any other nation world wide into the research fund. We have given more than the US, China or any EU country.
China built a hospital from scratch, we converted some big barns. The NHS was struggling because of the lack of funding, the reduction in hospital beds and the wholesale movement of people from hospitals into care homes ensuring our death rate is amongst the highest in the world.We built the world’s largest hospital in record time, the Nightingale Hospital. That was an amazing achievement and the government should take some credit for it. Our NHS has struggled massively and it’s nearly reached breaking point and may have nearly done in certain areas but overall, as a nation, they’ve ensured the capacity hasn’t been reached. There was a fear that across the country there would be a choice between who’s life to save but that certainly hasn’t happened across the country.
Perhaps, I await the results of it. My initial view is it reactionary nonsense from an authoritarian witch. I support restricted immigration too.Outside of Covid their new immigration policy is the fairest, non discriminatory immigration policy that I can recall us having. It doesn’t matter what nation you’re coming from, what ethnicity, what religion, if you have something to offer then you can settle here and make a new life.
This government has been an unmitigated disaster, it has used Covid to expand disaster capitalism and use the crisis to enrich the private sector with Billions of taxpayers money. I wonder why the Taxpayers alliance are not all over this enormous waste of public money.I think that’s enough for now. My list of what they’ve got wrong is likely about 10
times longer than the above, happy to share that if you care to read it and I am a huge critic of this government (just look at other threads). But, unlike some, I will give credit where it’s due and the above is just my opinion of certain things they’ve got right this year.
We built the world’s largest hospital in record time, the Nightingale Hospital. That was an amazing achievement and the government should take some credit for it. Our NHS has struggled massively and it’s nearly reached breaking point and may have nearly done in certain areas but overall, as a nation, they’ve ensured the capacity hasn’t been reached. There was a fear that across the country there would be a choice between who’s life to save but that certainly hasn’t happened across the country.
I completely agree. Education in the Uk has been commoditised. Kids think the only relevant outcome is a grade and that’s it. The main purpose of education should be to coach kids to think for themselves. Think rationally based on facts and evidence. Be that science, history, geography or English. We would be a better country for it.I am not a fan of exams at all, i wasn't very good at them for a start.
Exam's benefit those who learn by rote, they don't examine how you understand a subject. That is better measured in my opinion by course work and short open book tests. What is the point of knowing that the Battle of Stalingrad was fought from 1942 to 1943 if you dont understand the relevance of the battle itself.
1. Do you have any data for that? Regardless if some have done more it has still been the most radical support package in, I don’t know how long, it even shocked many on the left when they announced it. Surely you have to give some credit? They have spent more than any other EU country haven’t they?Yet was nowhere near as comprehensive schemes across the rest of Europe
They didn't have to draw a line, it was a political choice.
The Government will claim this as a success, but it was the Pharma companies who succeeded.
Coronavirus: World leaders pledge billions for vaccine fight - BBC News
This is fake news then.
China built a hospital from scratch, we converted some big barns. The NHS was struggling because of the lack of funding, the reduction in hospital beds and the wholesale movement of people from hospitals into care homes ensuring our death rate is amongst the highest in the world.
Perhaps, I await the results of it. My initial view is it reactionary nonsense from an authoritarian witch. I support restricted immigration too.
This government has been an unmitigated disaster, it has used Covid to expand disaster capitalism and use the crisis to enrich the private sector with Billions of taxpayers money. I wonder why the Taxpayers alliance are not all over this enormous waste of public money.
When this crisis is over there should be a full and wide ranging public enquiry into the gross misconduct of this government, the unalloyed corruption should be investigated and Johnson and his useless excuse for a cabinet should face charges of manslaughter.
Listen, as I’ve said I’m not a Tory, nor do I remotely like this government. My point is to say the odd thing they do well, it’s healthy to admit it, otherwise you just look incredibly blinkered and bitter.Pointless exercise as we didn't have the qualified staff to man them. Just a reminder that the NHS since 2010 is
43000 nurses short
10000 doctors short
106000 support staff short.
Our education system is woeful. It needs serious reform.I completely agree. Education in the Uk has been commoditised. Kids think the only relevant outcome is a grade and that’s it. The main purpose of education should be to coach kids to think for themselves. Think rationally based on facts and evidence. Be that science, history, geography or English. We would be a better country for it.
We will be vaccinating people first, the very first people in the world vaccinated at scale will be Britons, which means our lives will be back to normal before any other nation that’s also crippled with this thing.
It’s the only option we’ve got so I’m optimistic.Think you can only say the first part of that to be fair, it doesn’t necessarily mean the latter.
Lots of stuff on Google from various sources.1. Do you have any data for that? Regardless if some have done more it has still been the most radical support package in, I don’t know how long, it even shocked many on the left when they announced it. Surely you have to give some credit? They have spent more than any other EU country haven’t they?
Why not?2. Everything a government does is a political choice, as stated though, they couldn’t just give every man woman and child 80% of a salary they had no evidence of having, could they?
Have you heard about the approach they are taking to get it to the population?3. Scientists deserve the most credit, then the pharma businesses and then finally our government, for getting it into the population faster than other nations in similar situations.
You want to give them credit for doing their first duty to the people. Novel.4. Maybe I got it wrong that we’ve spent more than anyone else but we’re very high up and have still spent more than the US, China and some major EU countries. Even if I’ve accidentally exaggerated what I’d read, they still deserve credit.
It wasn't a hospital, it was a barn like structure with beds.5. And it took China longer. When we were all aghast at how quickly China did it, we turned around a huge indoor city centre arena (not a barn don’t be silly), into the world’s largest hospital, even quicker. No credit there? Yeah the care home stuff would be probably number 1 on my list of their mistakes, you didn’t ask me to post the mistakes though and it’s a separate point to this.
That is because they are the worst Government in living memory run by a buffoon, with a cabinet stacked full of people who couldnt run a bath.6. Well yeah but then again your automatic position on anything they do is to take a negative, sceptical view.
It is all legitimate criticism, because they have fucked it up on a scale i didn't think was possible. From the appalling track and trace, the confused messaging, the idiotic claims of some ministers and the general air of not really giving a fuck as long as money is made, pockets are lined and donors are satisfied it has been a total disaster as the appalling amount of deaths an Island has suffered proves.7. I agree they’ve been a total disaster, they’ve been a woefully incompetent yet somehow have been bragging about what they’ve done as a government. As I’ve said, I can write a list of negatives and it won’t be 8 long, it’ll be 50+ wrong at the very minimum and that’s only because I’ll get bored typing, I could be here all day in fact.
The entire point of my response to @mat and to you is that they can get 8 or 9 things out of 10 wrong but if we’re being objective, the one thing they do get right it’s healthy to say that’s what’s happened, for objectivity and honesty’s sake. Otherwise, if you don’t, people will stop trusting the legitimate criticism, thinking you’re doing it for the sake of it.
1. I am willing to just take your word for it. I will say the furlough scheme is something that even the biggest Tory defender wouldn’t imagine they were capable of. It has been a huge success.Lots of stuff on Google from various sources.
Why not?
Have you heard about the approach they are taking to get it to the population?
Clueless fuckers.
You want to give them credit for doing their first duty to the people. Novel.
It wasn't a hospital, it was a barn like structure with beds.
That is because they are the worst Government in living memory run by a buffoon, with a cabinet stacked full of people who couldnt run a bath.
It is all legitimate criticism, because they have fucked it up on a scale i didn't think was possible. From the appalling track and trace, the confused messaging, the idiotic claims of some ministers and the general air of not really giving a fuck as long as money is made, pockets are lined and donors are satisfied it has been a total disaster as the appalling amount of deaths an Island has suffered proves.
Johnson's idiotic boosterism, his mismanagement of the whole affair and using the crisis to attempt to cause division is beyond objectivity. They have been a disaster from the first time Covid was heard about up to now and even with a vaccine about to be delivered they are doing their level best to fuck that up too.
To paraphrase Johnson's favourite person.. Never in the field of disease conflict has so much been fucked up by so few.
Building the Nightingale hospitals in the timescales they were built was a fantastic achievement which undeniable. What is questionable is how they expected to staff them. Fortunately they’ve hardly been used.Listen, as I’ve said I’m not a Tory, nor do I remotely like this government. My point is to say the odd thing they do well, it’s healthy to admit it, otherwise you just look incredibly blinkered and bitter.
There’s an infinite source of material to hammer them, when they do get the odd thing right like the Nightingale or the vaccine, just say they’ve got that right.
Absolutely and it’s not a defence of the Tories, they’ve cocked up this pandemic royally.Building the Nightingale hospitals in the timescales they were built was a fantastic achievement which undeniable. What is questionable is how they expected to staff them. Fortunately they’ve hardly been used.
As for the vaccine, I don’t think the government can claim any credit for its early availability at all. If they do claim credit it implies that they have influence over the deliberations of the MHRA which would be scandalous if true.
They can claim credit for getting supply agreements in place in plenty of time with the manufacturers though.
A success for some, a disaster for others1. I am willing to just take your word for it. I will say the furlough scheme is something that even the biggest Tory defender wouldn’t imagine they were capable of. It has been a huge success.
Straight out of the Ian Duncan Smith playbook. "those who need it" is code for saying many can do without.2. Why can’t they give billions of tax payers money away to anyone, in the middle of a pandemic, whether they need it, deserve it or are entitled to it or not? I don’t think I need to answer that. All I’ll say is I want my money to go to those who need it.
NHS staff the people who need it most as they are the ones who do the treatment are well down the list of importance.3. No I haven’t, enlighten me? What I do know is they are getting it to our people quicker than anyone else.
It is there job, its the first responsibility of any government and they have failed catastrophically4. If you take this stand then nobody can win can they? They do bad you call them out rightly, they do good and it’s “don’t say they’ve done well, it’s just their job”. Well they did that aspect better than most other nations.
It wasn't a hospital, it had no staff and the "brilliant" immigration bill hinders that as well5. Well ignoring the fact it wasn’t a barn, it was a modern arena owned by our very own HH S. Mansour, they still turned it into a hospital facility in record time, that ensured the NHS wasn’t overran.
Good6. I don’t disagree.
More failings will be uncovered with a public enquiry7. There’s plenty of legitimate criticism, there’s a tsunami of it. The communications, the money wasted, the car homes the worst of the lot, the PPE, the testing etc etc.
If you want to credit them for only be negligent instead of gross negligence you may have a point.But several of my points listed there is some credit due there, they’ve not got every single thing wrong and saying they do actually harms the argument against us, it’s like the boy who cried wolf.
Enough to send them to prison for manslaughter.This discussion started because Mat criticised them for the earlier vaccinations based on what that one American man said, who has subsequently apologised and retracted his statement.
I only replied to say that it was illegitimate criticism and we should stick to the legitimate stuff, because there’s plenty of it.
Nothing wrong at all with optimism, we all want an end to this clusterfuck, there is a difference between optimism and Johnsonesque boosterism.It’s the only option we’ve got so I’m optimistic.