Another new Brexit thread

[west didsblue]

I fail to see any wailing as you put it.

Loving the hardball though.

Maybe it’s the wrong word for sulking and taking your ball home.

 

[blueinsa]

Maybe it’s the wrong word for sulking and taking your ball home.

Possibly but I don't see any of that either?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The post to which you replied that prompted my post.

I'm sorry, but there are better things to do with my time than feed wummers. Nevertheless, in case it is just idiocy, the point is that even if we were stuck 12 months from now on exactly the same sticking points, we wouldn't be doing it on top of a pandemic that may cause delays at ports, disrupt the supply of medicines for other ailments, and when the priority is moving vaccines around - with a national shortage of HGV drivers (even if the EU citizens working here for UK hauliers want to stay).

Maybe some sort of aeroplane type arrangement could overcome the haulage problems. Maybe one of those nice big Airbus Voyager thingys could do the job?

 

[west didsblue]

Maybe some sort of aeroplane type arrangement could overcome the haulage problems. Maybe one of those nice big Airbus Voyager thingys could do the job?

Why would an Air to Air refuelling capability solve border control check issues? Genuinely puzzled.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

There is zero point in Barnier and Frost meeting. The issues are political not technical. It’s the equivalent of both sides taking the ball into the corner flag and waiting for the whistle to blow.

I suppose if we've genuinely come to a point where those few sticking points can't be resolved then we either have to agree the stuff we can agree on and leave those, or just abandon the whole thing and go WTO. It does sound like both sets of negotiators have tried their best to get a deal tbf.

 

[hilts]

One that needs a deal.

And for the last time. The EU is there to represents the interests of its 27 members. The key word is members. This is just how they negotiate with non-members. It isn’t personal.

Of course it isn’t:-)

 

[Ban-jani]

The next few weeks are crucial.

I just hope pride doesn’t get in the way but given what’s come out of the mouths of Williamson and Hancock recently, I have little faith in these clowns.

 

[Metal Biker]

The next few weeks are crucial.

I just hope pride doesn’t get in the way but given what’s come out of the mouth of Williamson and Hancock recently, I have little faith in these clowns.

Tbh mate, it's all of them right now, on both sides.

Egos, public perceptions, union pride all take centre stage when the main focus should always have been, first and foremost, about ensuring tarriff free trade. Everything else could have been argued the toss about for years down the line, but clearly that's not on the politicians minds.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The next few weeks are crucial.

I just hope pride doesn’t get in the way but given what’s come out of the mouths of Williamson and Hancock recently, I have little faith in these clowns.

Few days rather than weeks I think - All 27 EU countries, plus the assorted fannies in both houses of Parliament here have got to get legislation passed before Jan. I can't see your average EU bureaucrat, tory MP, or member of the lords sacrificing their xmas holidays to do anything.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

So it seems like France and the eu want full access to our waters. What other sovereign country would allow that?

ive also seen reports that the eu are considering a no deal brexit now. This is to make us suffer and then renegotiate with them in a year (see it their way) does that sound like a union we want to be part of. A union where France alone can dictate the actions of all others

I’m happy for us to go for no deal now

You do realise that we are no longer in the club... that makes us a competitor ... why on earth do you think they should be doing us any favours?

 

[Ban-jani]

Tbh mate, it's all of them right now, on both sides.

Egos, public perceptions, union pride all take centre stage when the main focus should always have been, first and foremost, about ensuring tarriff free trade. Everything else could have been argued the toss about for years down the line, but clearly that's not on the politicians minds.

You’re right mate.

Hope you’re keeping well by the way, we’ve not spoke for a while.

Been a mad year for everyone.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Maybe some sort of aeroplane type arrangement could overcome the haulage problems. Maybe one of those nice big Airbus Voyager thingys could do the job?

are we still in Open Skies agreement then ?

 

[Metal Biker]

You’re right mate.

Hope you’re keeping well by the way, we’ve not spoke for a while.

Been a mad year for everyone.

Same to you fella! Hope everyone's well and safe.

Spent most of it furloughed.

Might be hitting you up in the future for some career change advice, you never know!

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

You do realise that we are no longer in the club... that makes us a competitor ... why on earth do you think they should be doing us any favours?

I'm not sure we need a 'favour' to claim the rights to our own waters. Trade deal yes, of course, but the idea they need to agree to 'give' us our own stuff back is just the reason we need to leave.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

are we still in Open Skies agreement then ?

It can be done under a NATO mvt order - if you seriously think all UK/EU aviation will cease at the end of the year?

 

[Ban-jani]

Same to you fella! Hope everyone's well and safe.

Spent most of it furloughed.

Might be hitting you up in the future for some career change advice, you never know!

Glad to hear it mate.

Stressful my end, Mrs is pregnant and we both got Covid and work was really stressful. But ultimately luckier than most and got through it.

Give us a shout whenever you need and I’ll do what I can to help.

 

[blueinsa]

You do realise that we are no longer in the club... that makes us a competitor ... why on earth do you think they should be doing us any favours?

No favours required.

Just the respect and admittance we are very much a competitor and we will be a very attractive and welcoming one at that.

 

[blueinsa]

Glad to hear it mate.

Stressful my end, Mrs is pregnant and we both got Covid and work was really stressful. But ultimately luckier than most and got through it.

Give us a shout whenever you need and I’ll do what I can to help.

Nice post mate.

 

[blueish swede]

The difference being they sell us energy, whereas they just want to take the fish. The quid pro quo would be for us to sell licencing to EU boats to fish just as they sell energy.

The energy goes both ways, as does the fish.

The UKs biggest catch is mackerel which it mostly exports to Europe.
Cod and haddock on the other hand are very small parts of the UK catch but a large market in the UK, so they are imported from the EU. Cod are bottom feeders wheras mackerel are pelagic (they swim at depth but not on the sea bed), so you can't just switch from one to the other with the same nets and boats.

But I'm sure mackerel and chips will be fine for tea.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The energy goes both ways, as does the fish.

The UKs biggest catch is mackerel which it mostly exports to Europe.
Cod and haddock on the other hand are very small parts of the UK catch but a large market in the UK, so they are imported from the EU. Cod are bottom feeders wheras mackerel are pelagic (they swim at depth but not on the sea bed), so you can't just switch from one to the other with the same nets and boats.

But I'm sure mackerel and chips will be fine for tea.

The sad truth is (for an island nation) that we don't eat much fish that isn't frozen or in breadcrumbs / batter. It might well be worth us selling / licencing the fishing rights when we get them back? The point being that it will be our decision to do so and not a Brussels decree.