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Northernstorirs said:
The British public didn't know at the time of the ref the terms on which we would be leaving. It was unknown to everybody and was also nearly 5 years a go.
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Been a while since I heard that one... makes me feel all nostalgic.

That question was answered in the 2019 General Election. We were both presented with how each potential government would deal with the Brexit issue. It was in effect the 'brexit election', and the public sided with the Conservatives.

"Get brexit done" won over "choose between our deal or remaining and we would still campaign to remain". Nobody could say they didn't know the terms anymore, nobody could hide behind that level of ignorance. We all made the choice based on what each political party argued and nationally, the choice was to continue with what the result of 2016's referendum had decided.

Or do we just keep having referendums and constant political turmoil until people get the decision they want? We'd be in and out of the EU like a yo-yo.
 
Northernstorirs said:
The British public didn't know at the time of the ref the terms on which we would be leaving. It was unknown to everybody and was also nearly 5 years a go.
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Not sure that would be great for democracy, you have to accept that people don’t react kindly to having their vote nobbled. The way back into the EU is via a parties manifesto and an election win.

If historically remainers had been more concerned about democracy none of this would have happened, will lessons be learnt? Nah just more moaning and tears I’m afraid. The future is going to be very messy.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Probably, but as has been said on here, in the twitterverse and everywhere else; a referendum is only advisory. It would require a willing Government to enact upon it as a referendum itself is not legally binding.

Then we have the 27 (or potentially fewer) EU nations all needing to agree to it and I severely doubt a decision to accept the UK back in would be unanimous. Then you have the issue regarding adopting the Euro (a requirement of all new members from now on) which wouldn't be popular.

If you so desire to live in the EU, I can only suggest moving to an EU member state as it'll be decades before such a situation arises in the UK again.
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I don’t want to pal I voted leave it was just a general question
 
hilts said:
Not sure that would be great for democracy, you have to accept that people don’t react kindly to having their vote nobbled. The way back into the EU is via a parties manifesto and an election win.

If historically remainers had been more concerned about democracy none of this would have happened, will lessons be learnt? Nah just more moaning and tears I’m afraid. The future is going to be very messy.
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Nobody’s vote has been nobbled. We voted out and we’ve left.

That we aren’t getting what many leave voters voted for, in terms of still being in a large FTZ and £350m extra for the NHS from subscription savings is on the mugs that believed that shite and voted for it on that basis.

For those that voted Leave on the basis that it would risk the breakup of the UK and would make us poorer and marginalised on the world stage, well you got exactly what you voted for.
 
BobKowalski said:
I feel as if we are on the cusp of a momentous event in the Brexit thread as the struggle for @mcfc1632 to become ‘self aware’ reaches a critical point.

Honestly, it’s like a scene from ‘Terminator’.
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I genuinely have never seen 'Terminator'.

Does it feature a monster with a psychosis based in uncontrolled narcissism inflated arrogance and a perceived need to subjugate and/or ridicule other individuals deemed to be inferior or unworthy?

If it does, I really can't see any link to @mcfc1632
 
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

No mention of FTZ deals or anything else for that matter.

Over 17 Million of us said leave and leave we have
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
The British public didn't.

"we'll negotiate a deal with the EU, and then once we achieved an agreement, put that deal back to the British public, where they can vote on leaving the EU by accepting the deal, or remaining in the EU"

"And what position would Labour take?"

"We'd support remaining in the EU"

"So you'd effectively campaign against your OWN deal that you agreed?"

"...."
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And wondered why they lost!
 
Blue Maverick said:
Can’t read it says I need to subscribe
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You were lucky, mate. The first line was contentious enough but apparently the EU's unhappiness with Hungary and Poland is only "partly" to do with their incipient fascism. Otherwise it seems to be commonplace stuff about the tensions within the EU but laced with predictions (or hope?) that without the UK as an ally against greater integration some of the EU members will be a bit forlorn. I'm sure I've missed the point of its being posted at this moment in time though.

I'd rather spend my time watching this to kill off any nostalgia about our lost fishing industry.




(I knew all the fishing songs from watching "The Spinners" at the Free Trade Hall.)

I've still not quite worked out what happens to all the herring that EU boats would not be able to catch in UK waters. Will they just go uncaught or will the UK take over Dutch trawlers (already UK registered and paying tax here) and land herring in Britain then export it to Holland (by boat?) or would we still try to land it in Dutch ports? Would we allow redundant Dutch workers to come here to process it? I'm not sure that if East Anglians won't pick food that they will be keen on gutting herring.

 
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Mëtal Bikër said:
The British public didn't.

"we'll negotiate a deal with the EU, and then once we achieved an agreement, put that deal back to the British public, where they can vote on leaving the EU by accepting the deal, or remaining in the EU"

"And what position would Labour take?"

"We'd support remaining in the EU"

"So you'd effectively campaign against your OWN deal that you agreed?"

"...."
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Thank goodness we didn't end up with a government that's sought to tear up a deal it agreed.
 
Northernstorirs said:
I'd happily work weekends to undo everything put in place if it meant we could have a 2nd ref.

It is absurd that we haven't had one. The original ref was too vague. I agreed with Corbyn's approach which was actually sensible.
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Even as a Eurosceptic, the vagueness of the first Referendum is why I voted Remain (as well as not trusting the Tories to lead us out of the EU).
 
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Calm you hear that noise? It's the sounds of millions of chickens coming home to roost.

Leave won. Own it and stop blaming everyone else for the cluster fuck to come.
 
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mcfc1632 said:
Strange - I was able to read it without subscribing

Edit: I think that it is one of those where you get a number of free articles and just have to click on the 'X' of the advert it posts at the start

Otherwise try pasting:

www.nationalreview.com

‘More Europe’ after Brexit | National Review

EU politics are colliding with debt, COVID, and domestic law.
www.nationalreview.com www.nationalreview.com
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It was a jolly enough read even if it was from a deeply conservative commentator from a deeply conservative journal.
No matter it described the factions and alliances as I understand them to be although in a union of 27 it is hardly surprising that tensions exist and are managed, the biggest being the financial situation of the med countries and the EU's repeated juggling act of keeping their economies 'in the air' without dropping a ball. It points to a continued more fiscally integrated Euro zone but there is nothing particularly new in any of that. It will be interesting to see how the summit in December goes. I think the recalcitrants will fall into line. I rather liked Ruttes quote:

Rutte said bluntly that Hungary and Poland should fix the situation. "Ask these two how they want to solve it," Rutte said. Injecting a bit of Dutch philosophy and poetry, he added: "The EU doesn't work in such a way that you can stub out your corona cigar, take a sip and wait for the others to let the roast chickens fly into your mouth."
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I will read it and may come back if I deem it important enough.

Am I reading your post correctly though. 'I am considerably smarter than you lot and i bet you can't guess what I'm thinking albeit the truth should be obvious to anyone that isn't a complete moron. However if anyone responds I reserve the right 1) not to reply because I don't like you 2) to be condescending and patronise your worthy but ultimately intellectually lacking attempt'

Did I miss anything?
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Gosh, and two weeks ago you weren't even on his naughty step.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Been a while since I heard that one... makes me feel all nostalgic.

That question was answered in the 2019 General Election. We were both presented with how each potential government would deal with the Brexit issue. It was in effect the 'brexit election', and the public sided with the Conservatives.

"Get brexit done" won over "choose between our deal or remaining and we would still campaign to remain". Nobody could say they didn't know the terms anymore, nobody could hide behind that level of ignorance. We all made the choice based on what each political party argued and nationally, the choice was to continue with what the result of 2016's referendum had decided.

Or do we just keep having referendums and constant political turmoil until people get the decision they want? We'd be in and out of the EU like a yo-yo.
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Usual reminder that parties supporting staying in the EU or at least having another referendum won most votes in the 2019 election.
 
Time to leave the thread as the usual suspects try and pretend it's 2016 again.

Enjoy your moanfest boys.
 
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