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Len Rum said:
Difficult to interpret this latest development other than BloJo doesn't want no deal at the moment and the ERG (wanting and having tasted no deal ) will be sh1tting themselves.
Leaders normally go across to these final meetings for a symbolic sign off when everything has been agreed upon up front .
Unless Barnier and Frost and their respective teams have agreed a deal behind the scenes and kept it secret ( unlikely as Brussels leaks like a sieve) then IMO there is no way BoJo is going to go over there and negotiate a deal where there is still a lot of detail to be resolved.
A lot may depend if the meeting is between BoJo and UVDL and/or the Council ( remember Mavis got shredded bythe Council).
Maybe they will both compromise at the top level ( EU on fish and UK on LPF and governance?) giving the negotiators a few days to sort out the details.
Still think it's 50/50 ( as I have done for a while now).
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The ERG are about as important as Garcia is at City.

Labour will be backing the deal, over no deal, so Johnson doesn’t need them.
 
Ban-jani said:
The ERG are about as important as Garcia is at City.

Labour will be backing the deal, over no deal, so Johnson doesn’t need them.
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Yeah.

They will of course want Johnsons head on a spike afterwards but lets face it, he is toast post 01/01/21 anyway.
 
Ric said:
I feel like whatever the outcome is from here, @mcfc1632 will claim that it proves that he was indeed right all along!
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And I can’t imagine any other poster on this thread doing that can you?

It’s basically the whole thread - I’m right no I’m right. Anyone expecting any winner and a sporting concession is living in cloud cuckoo land.
 
hilts said:
And I can’t imagine any other poster on this thread doing that can you?

It’s basically the whole thread - I’m right no I’m right. Anyone expecting any winner and a sporting concession is living in cloud cuckoo land.
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True.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
The EU needed Britain to be the voice of reason and logic, lest it fall under the dominance of France and Germany, and they called us "difficult" for it?

I note the article does little to talk about the future of the EU now it won't have Britain's influence as the leader of the opposition, an influence which all great democracies need. Who is ready to take up that mantle, I wonder? Italy? Spain? Sweden?

How will the EU fare without the UK?
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One of the reasons James O'Brien cites for leaving the BBC when he was forced to have Leadsome in a debate with Pascal Lamy - jobbing MP trying to lecture the former head of the WTO about the WTO terms.

 
Ban-jani said:
The ERG are about as important as Garcia is at City.

Labour will be backing the deal, over no deal, so Johnson doesn’t need them.
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The ERG was a side issue in my post but I agree a deal will get through.
However there's enough ERG members to cause trouble in the future if they consider the new relationship with the EU to represent a betrayal of sovereignty.
A party within a party if you like, maybe even a split from the Tory party.
Just speculating.
 
Len Rum said:
The ERG was a side issue in my post but I agree a deal will get through.
However there's enough ERG members to cause trouble in the future if they consider the new relationship with the EU to represent a betrayal of sovereignty.
A party within a party if you like, maybe even a split from the Tory party.
Just speculating.
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Yeah I wasn’t necessarily disagreeing with you, just elaborating on your mention of them.

The ERG need to grow up, they’re getting Brexit, to have a position of damaging no deal or nothing is ridiculous.
 
blueparrot said:
Jesus ,whatever outcome anyone wants don’t hold out much hope of Johnson coming out of that knowing what details he’s ageed to. Much like his W.A.
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I think the prospect of Johnson’s personal involvement at this late stage is probably fairly disturbing for both Leavers and Remainers. Our country’s fate essentially resides in the hands of one man now, and a largely unscrupulous one at that.
 
Ric said:
I think the prospect of Johnson’s personal involvement at this late stage is probably fairly disturbing for both Leavers and Remainers. Our country’s fate essentially resides in the hands of one man now, and a largely unscrupulous one at that.
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Sadly fitting as without him and his bullshit none of this is likely to have ever happened.
 
How's that "we hold all the cards" bullshit going?

Watched (not so ) Cleverly, Gove and Bone today outright lying on TV news as they try to distance themselves from this crock of shit - Bone ( on C4 News ) said he "didn't know" if the Governor of the BoE had said the impact of Brexit would be worse than that of Covid - it was two weeks away and Bone is a lying ****
 
bluethrunthru said:
How's that "we hold all the cards" bullshit going?

Watched (not so ) Cleverly, Gove and Bone today outright lying on TV news as they try to distance themselves from this crock of shit - Bone ( on C4 News ) said he "didn't know" if the Governor of the BoE had said the impact of Brexit would be worse than that of Covid - it was two weeks away and Bone is a lying ****
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They are all lying cunts.
 
bluethrunthru said:
One of the reasons James O'Brien cites for leaving the BBC when he was forced to have Leadsome in a debate with Pascal Lamy - jobbing MP trying to lecture the former head of the WTO about the WTO terms.

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A reminder that the UK said we (unilaterally) wouldn't apply tariffs on most imports in the event of No Deal.
Sorry - an Australia type deal. (What is that nonsense? Who apart from Tory MPs says that?)
 
Ric said:
I think the prospect of Johnson’s personal involvement at this late stage is probably fairly disturbing for both Leavers and Remainers. Our country’s fate essentially resides in the hands of one man now, and a largely unscrupulous one at that.
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Oh, I don't know. It's an ideal moment for someone with no scruples. Having principles has got us nowhere.
 
Vic said:
Oh, I don't know. It's an ideal moment for someone with no scruples. Having principles has got us nowhere.
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I'm pretty sure this was what Johnson was going to do all along. It will matter enormously to him that everyone sees him swanning off to brussels to save the day. I just hope the prick comes back with a deal. Don't even give a shit how crap it is anymore, just not no deal.
 
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