They couldn't name one but does that mean we should pack our bags, close Parliament and just choose the EU as our Parliament instead? Your answer to this will be no we need to keep our Parliament but why?
Many on here tend to defend these sort of things but then struggle to explain why. Like everything in the EU it's actually just a necessary evil for the greater good like keeping our economy going. This is the only reason why many people voted to remain because certainly none of them voted in favour of outside lawmaking. Half of these people don't even know who their lawmaker (MEP) is.
It's equivalent to if you were a steward working at Old Trafford, you hate the place but it pays the wages.
I think you misunderstood the discussion about sovereignty.But you disapprove of the UK union which works on gernally the same premise?
Okay, interesting.
Being elected by a majority would be nice.Any discourse with that particular poster usually ends up in an unhinged rant about grasping tories and winds up with veiled racism accusations. The fact that no government in history has been elected by 100 percent of the population is ignored, it's just the ravings of someone utterly incapable of accepting results.
The U.K. within the EU has a damn sight more ‘sovereignty‘ than Scotland within The U.K.But you disapprove of the UK union which works on gernally the same premise?
Okay, interesting.
Another one who doesn't understand what sovereignty is.Independent?
Lol, that particular side of what is an unbelievably stupid argument gets conveniently dismissed. 'THE MAJORITY VOTED AGAINST THEM!!'Those same people who will shout "70% of the people voted AGAINST this Government!" whilst ignoring that means that 75%-80% voted against HIS party of choice by the same token.
i believe that an independent Scotland is better aligned to the EU than th3 Uk. I respect anyone that voted for Brexit that did so to stop further fiscal and political integration with the EU. I have stated that on numerous occasions. I don’t agree that the U.K. had given its sovereignty away by membership of the U.K.Care to readdress them here, even briefly, or is this a 'no' from you, can't tell.
Do you at least empathise with the 'motivation' behind those wanting the UK to separate IF you have similar grievances about the Westminster System as we did the EuroParl setup?
That is true, and I wish you all the best in your endeavours.The U.K. within the EU has a damn sight more ‘sovereignty‘ than Scotland within The U.K.
Scotland should choose which Union it is better aligned with. My view is that would be EU rather than a Tory dominated U.K.
Are you from the UK?
If so - did something bad happen some time ago that led to this apparent all-consuming dislike for the UK?
Absolutely. We will have sovereign power to decide to pool our sovereigntY ;-)
It is a contradiction and a hypocrisy - as is my wish to leave the EU but see the UK stay united. Nothing wrong with holding a contradictory position based upon poor logic as long as you are honest enough to admit it. If I'm honest with myself then I have to respect Scottish independence if that is what the Scottish people wish.Sounds like he wants an Independent Scotland to become part of a Federal Europe to me.
Bit of a contradiction in terms though.
Our electoral system.Selling what?
Ahh you've just demostrated you understand the leavers concept of 'sovereignty' in regards to membership of the EU.The U.K. within the EU has a damn sight more ‘sovereignty‘ than Scotland within The U.K.
Scotland should choose which Union it is better aligned with. My view is that would be EU rather than a Tory dominated U.K.
It wasn't a comment on our electoral system.Our electoral system.
I think he does, and why not? I happen to believe the EU won't be rushing to give them entry, but that's another discussion, but Scots wanting that is fine by me, although I'd prefer the UK to remain as is.Sounds like he wants an Independent Scotland to become part of a Federal Europe to me.
Bit of a contradiction in terms though.
''Font''Hey - I have seen myself as something of a balance / counter to the Remainer posters that act as if they are the founts of all knowledge - there are quite a few
It makes me smile that people, including @Ric, feel the need to single me out but not posters from the remain side
It just reinforces in my mind other opinions about this thread that I think that I have been generally right about
Think you are bending what I have said to suit your argument. Here is the difference in sovereignty. U.K. votes against 2% of Eu laws and can choose to leave based on a referendum. Scotland hasn’t voted for a Tory government in 60 years and has to ask permission of that Tory Government to hold a referendum. Spot the difference.Ahh you've just demostrated you understand the leavers concept of 'sovereignty' in regards to membership of the EU.
YOU want "Scotland" to have more "sovereignty", so you understand what leavers mean when we talk about wanting "more sovereignty" and how we, in England at least, felt like we weren't getting that as a member of the EU.
Our choices, our decisions, our interests and our will was being routinely rejected and ignored by the rest of the members of the "union". To us, leaving was our only choice to "regain control". Naturally there will be many Scottish citizens who won't be happy about leaving the UK to rejoin the EU; I do hope you have a way of placating their interests to those in Scotland who want to remain British?
Always said the Scottish ref and Euro ref were direct examples of one another, at least in the way of explaining intentions.
Why are you asking me?If you know what it means perhaps you could explain how we get more of it if we're either sovereign as a nation or we're not.
Oh make no mistake, i'm not criticising his choice if that's what he wants.I think he does, and why not? I happen to believe the EU won't be rushing to give them entry, but that's another discussion, but Scots wanting that is fine by me, although I'd prefer the UK to remain as is.
I agree with the contradiction in terms though.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not feeling hopeful at all. The man is a useless piece of posh sputum who has probably never put a proper days hard graft in his life. I'd rather my cat was in charge of this process, but she's not stupid enough to get involved with politics.Hope you’re right. Probably to be announced on Wednesday. Tomorrow will be all about the vaccine. Two big days for Johnson. He’ll love it, and it will give him some credibility for a while with the factions in the Tory party.
Although who fucking knows anymore...
What I mean by sovereignty?I changed my mind. I think that what you mean by sovereignty is a newfangled view, that any international treaty diminishes or dilutes our sovereignty. Like being a little bit pregnant.