Another new Brexit thread

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bluethrunthru said:
Problem is if the idea they now just want to punish the UK is right he is stage manging the spectacle of him having his own arse handed to him publicly when they tell him they aren't interested in what he has to offer.
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I wouldn't blame them for 'punishing the UK' at all. If someone acts like a ****, you treat them like a ****.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Think you are bending what I have said to suit your argument. Here is the difference in sovereignty. U.K. votes against 2% of Eu laws and can choose to leave based on a referendum. Scotland hasn’t voted for a Tory government in 60 years and has to ask permission of that Tory Government to hold a referendum. Spot the difference.
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I've already shown you the link. In the 5 years prior to us leaving that number jumped to over 12%. We weren't agreeing with the EU anymore and it was a trend that was continuing. The Cameron/Tusk negotiations are the glaring example of how we felt about being a member and how the EU expected us to be treated.

We didn't vote for Lisbon, the adoption of the Euro, the creation of the Eurozone, but our European partners did, despite us explaining to them what a disaster it would be for Europe.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
It is a contradiction and a hypocrisy - as is my wish to leave the EU but see the UK stay united. Nothing wrong with holding a contradictory position based upon poor logic as long as you are honest enough to admit it. If I'm honest with myself then I have to respect Scottish independence if that is what the Scottish people wish.
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Think we have had the hypocrisy discussion already. It is not hypocrisy Or a contradiction to want to be part of one Union rather than another.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Ahh you've just demostrated you understand the leavers concept of 'sovereignty' in regards to membership of the EU.

YOU want "Scotland" to have more "sovereignty", so you understand what leavers mean when we talk about wanting "more sovereignty" and how we, in England at least, felt like we weren't getting that as a member of the EU.

Our choices, our decisions, our interests and our will was being routinely rejected and ignored by the rest of the members of the "union". To us, leaving was our only choice to "regain control". Naturally there will be many Scottish citizens who won't be happy about leaving the UK to rejoin the EU; I do hope you have a way of placating their interests to those in Scotland who want to remain British?

Always said the Scottish ref and Euro ref were direct examples of one another, at least in the way of explaining intentions.
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Another demonstration of your lack of understanding of sovereignty.
Scotland does not have sovereignty.
The EU does not have sovereignty.
The UK does have sovereignty and it is held by Parliament which is the ultimate law making authority for the population.
It's really not difficult.
Gobbledegook about wanting "more sovereignty" is just bollocks.

Interesting that you say our choices, decisions and interests are routinely rejected by the EU when you have also said that 88% of the time we are in full agreement. That would imply that in fact our wishes are routinely accepted and only exceptionally rejected, and even when they were rejected we had secured opt outs for the ones we felt most strongly about. We could do that because we are a sovereign nation.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
I've already shown you the link. In the 5 years prior to us leaving that number jumped to over 12%. We weren't agreeing with the EU anymore and it was a trend that was continuing. The Cameron/Tusk negotiations are the glaring example of how we felt about being a member and how the EU expected us to be treated.

We didn't vote for Lisbon, the adoption of the Euro, the creation of the Eurozone, but our European partners did, despite us explaining to them what a disaster it would be for Europe.
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You didn’t respond to my point. Simply regurgitated your known views Which are perfectly valid. So are mine though.
 
bluethrunthru said:
How's that "we hold all the cards" bullshit going?

Watched (not so ) Cleverly, Gove and Bone today outright lying on TV news as they try to distance themselves from this crock of shit - Bone ( on C4 News ) said he "didn't know" if the Governor of the BoE had said the impact of Brexit would be worse than that of Covid - it was two weeks away and Bone is a lying ****
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Can you point to even a single post where a Leave supporter suggests that the UK hold 'all the cards'?

If you struggle with that - can you point to even a single post where a Leave supporter suggests that the UK hold even the upper hand?

If you cannot, then whilst I may not be able to help you with how the bullshit is going - I would suggest that you have been able to help us with identifying where is is coming from - thanks
 
Surprised if this decision sticks to be honest...but if does then the outcome of Johnson’s visit will be either the UK accepts the EU deal or it’s no deal.

‘Macron and Merkel agree to keep Brexit negotiations off EU leaders summit agenda‘ @Bloomberg
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Think we have had the hypocrisy discussion already. It is not hypocrisy Or a contradiction to want to be part of one Union rather than another.
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Precisely, nor is it to want to promote one's own union aside from another, especially when relations between that union have collapsed.
 
Ban-jani said:
I’m not the one struggling with this Vic.

All you had to do was use Wikipedia mate.
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Cue comments like "buT tHe Eu DoEsN't dO tHaT!"

They must make all those regulations and treaties that members are forced to adhere to, for the hell of it! ;)
 
Saddleworth2 said:
You didn’t respond to my point. Simply regurgitated your known views Which are perfectly valid. So are mine though.
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What point? You've regurgitated the same hypocrisy.

I don't question your wish to want Scotland independent. I question your hypocrisy to not identify with the motivation. You can at least acknowledge that the motivations between Leavers and Yessers are the same, correct? Whether you agree with it or not on a political level, morally and purposefully it's the same, yes?

We didn't wish to be a part of that union anymore because regardless of how we voted, we felt our wishes and intentions were being ignored.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Can you point to even a single post where a Leave supporter suggests that the UK hold 'all the cards'?

If you struggle with that - can you point to even a single post where a Leave supporter suggests that the UK hold even the upper hand?

If you cannot, then whilst I may not be able to help you with how the bullshit is going - I would suggest that you have been able to help us with identifying where is is coming from - thanks
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Pretty sure Michael Gove is a Blue and posted on here all the time, judging by some people's comments on this thread. Those are always the quote's they refer to.
 
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