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If anyone is looking for a long term hold with a decent entry point $7.50 ish
Take a look at Blackberry, they are now more a software company, they have software that is compatible with all auto manufacturers OEM software, meaning those auto manufacturers can easily make their new EV's into smart cars by using Blackberry's IVY software, saving time and money on R&D for this, which can run into millions
They have signed an agreement with Amazon to roll this out as partners, it could be huge and will allow the likes of Ford, BMW, etc the chance to offer smart car options to new EV customers

Check it out all this is just my opinion, but I recon it's worth a look
 
Skip Donoghue said:
It was on sale yesterday mate, I bought more also, you made a very wise move, the delisting is nothing for NIO to worry about, they have already confirmed to Barrons that they comply on all fronts with PCAOB, a steady climb back to the 50s will start soon, hold them shares tight, you won't regret it
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Thanks mate. I think there is a lot of scaremongering going on over on eToro. I don’t think it’s in America’s interests to delist a load of Chinese stocks just for the sake of it and from what I’ve read any that don’t comply have 3 years to sort themselves out. As you say, it looks like NIO are compliant anyway. Of course, if Trump had gotten another 4 years then anything is possible but he didn’t so I’d expect a thawing of US/Chinese relations under the new president.
Interesting price forecast for NIO for the next 12 months here: https://money.cnn.com/quote/forecast/forecast.html?symb=nio
I know it’s only a forecast but imagine if it were to hit that median figure!
 
M18CTID said:
Thanks mate. I think there is a lot of scaremongering going on over on eToro. I don’t think it’s in America’s interests to delist a load of Chinese stocks just for the sake of it and from what I’ve read any that don’t comply have 3 years to sort themselves out. As you say, it looks like NIO are compliant anyway. Of course, if Trump had gotten another 4 years then anything is possible but he didn’t so I’d expect a thawing of US/Chinese relations under the new president.
Interesting price forecast for NIO for the next 12 months here: https://money.cnn.com/quote/forecast/forecast.html?symb=nio
I know it’s only a forecast but imagine if it were to hit that median figure!
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There is some confusion about CNN forecast mate so just be aware, I've seen it argued that those forecast are in (Chinese) RMB which is 7x the $

I know it says $ on the forecast but some more knowledgeable traders than me are adamant it's in RMB and if you do divide those numbers by 7 I can see their reasoning, as bottom end is close to 7 and top end is close to 60, those that believe its $ argue that CNN show it in $ and always show forecasts in $
I don't know what to believe if I'm honest, but I do believe NIO will be triple digits by end of 21 start of 22

I use etoro amongst others also, but I find there is a lot of stuff posted on there by just retail investors like myself and yourself and they try to pass themselves off as knowledgeable especially short traders who think they can spread fear and affect the SP of a company, when only the Market Makers, Hedge Funds and big boys are capable of it, I don't read or get involved in the chat over there as I know even with my limited knowledge that 90% are talking bollocks
 
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New to the shares game, and I wished I read this thread earlier, but nevertheless, opened a Trading212 account and bunged a few hundred on NIO.

I work in Automotive software - (I have zero inside knowledge before anybody asks!) but you don't have to be an expert to work out that 1. Emerging markets like China should continue to grow and 2. There must be money to be made somewhere in stocks associated with the manufacture and test of the new electric vehicle technologies.

Going to spend a bit of time researching and try to hoover up a few different stocks on the cheap.
 
Skip Donoghue said:
If anyone is looking for a long term hold with a decent entry point $7.50 ish
Take a look at Blackberry, they are now more a software company, they have software that is compatible with all auto manufacturers OEM software, meaning those auto manufacturers can easily make their new EV's into smart cars by using Blackberry's IVY software, saving time and money on R&D for this, which can run into millions
They have signed an agreement with Amazon to roll this out as partners, it could be huge and will allow the likes of Ford, BMW, etc the chance to offer smart car options to new EV customers

Check it out all this is just my opinion, but I recon it's worth a look
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Appreciate the tips & you were certainly spot on earlier on in the summer about NIO when their shares were trading around $9-12!

Interesting take on Blackberry & their shift of focus. Remember having one of those Blackberry PDAs with the physical keypad & being overjoyed especially when they were competing with Nokia in the emerging mobile phone/cellular market. The latter didn't move with the times & are now a distant memory.

As for Blackberry eating into the EV software market do you think or have BB already made enough power play moves to make their presence sustainable?

My immediate thought on this is Google & possibly Apple using their monopoly to barge into this area of car software & especially entertainment/smart ecosystems.
 
Skip Donoghue said:
There is some confusion about CNN forecast mate so just be aware, I've seen it argued that those forecast are in (Chinese) RMB which is 7x the $

I know it says $ on the forecast but some more knowledgeable traders than me are adamant it's in RMB and if you do divide those numbers by 7 I can see their reasoning, as bottom end is close to 7 and top end is close to 60, those that believe its $ argue that CNN show it in $ and always show forecasts in $
I don't know what to believe if I'm honest, but I do believe NIO will be triple digits by end of 21 start of 22

I use etoro amongst others also, but I find there is a lot of stuff posted on there by just retail investors like myself and yourself and they try to pass themselves off as knowledgeable especially short traders who think they can spread fear and affect the SP of a company, when only the Market Makers, Hedge Funds and big boys are capable of it, I don't read or get involved in the chat over there as I know even with my limited knowledge that 90% are talking bollocks
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Cheers for that mate. Not sure what to make of the CNN forecast but if it’s really 60 top and 7 bottom, the graph would surely look different? Anyway, it’s just a forecast and I’m in it for longer than the next 12 months.
 
hammersmithlad said:
Appreciate the tips & you were certainly spot on earlier on in the summer about NIO when their shares were trading around $9-12!

Interesting take on Blackberry & their shift of focus. Remember having one of those Blackberry PDAs with the physical keypad & being overjoyed especially when they were competing with Nokia in the emerging mobile phone/cellular market. The latter didn't move with the times & are now a distant memory.

As for Blackberry eating into the EV software market do you think or have BB already made enough power play moves to make their presence sustainable?

My immediate thought on this is Google & possibly Apple using their monopoly to barge into this area of car software & especially entertainment/smart ecosystems.
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From the little DD I have done on Blackberry from the Tech side and some of it is difficult to understand as I'm not a very Tech savy person, it looks like they are leading the way in regards to the software side of things with cars,

from what I can gather their platform is the only one compatable with the vast majority of car manufacturers software at present, so a roll out to make cars smart wouldn't take much it would basically make your car a drivable smart phone from what I can gather and it would link with your smart phone, giving you instant maintenance data, making maintenance pro active instead of reactive, so getting things sorted before they break down and collecting data as you drive from the sensors available,

I can see car insurance being based on this data in the future for example via your driving habits
or if your kids are using the car you can monitor their driving and so on via your phone
If you sold the car and bought a new one all the data, settings etc would just transfer straight over via your phone

An example I read was if your car was stolen you could shut it down from your phone, you would be able to communicate with the thief via the car, the car would inform the police of the theft and the police would be able to track the car easily, the cameras installed within the car would take film or stills of the thief, so if he did dump the car the police would have a mug shot

It won't be available to the car manufacturers until 2023, but it doesn't mean they won't or can't sign up to it and it gives the car manufacturers time to get themselves upto speed, but it also doesn't mean Blackberry won't see any benifits from it short term
But that's why I think it's a long term hold

The tie in with Amazon Web Services is another big plus, data is the new gold and the car manufacturers would want to ensure this is water tight from a security viewpoint and when you put AWS and Blackberry together you have just that, this isn't just a Blackberry deal Amazon have worked closely with them to get it here, it's a partnership, which may even see Amazon buy Blackberry out but that is a different story

You see Blackberry have reinvented themselves and are involved and rated very highly when it comes to cyber security (this is what they have been doing for the past 10 years after apple took the mobile phone market) our own government and the USA use them as well as many other governments and institutions throughout the world and they are about to get NSA (National Security Agency) approval they have over 80,000 servers worldwide, so this is why Amazon chose Blackberry to partner with the security and this is why Apple and Google etc can't compete, the 2 mentioned should have been looking to tie in with Blackberry but it looks like Amazon were 1st up

Sorry for the long post but these are a few things I've garnered while looking into things
All the above is just my opinion obviously and you need to do your own due dilligance
 
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RobMCFC said:
New to the shares game, and I wished I read this thread earlier, but nevertheless, opened a Trading212 account and bunged a few hundred on NIO.

I work in Automotive software - (I have zero inside knowledge before anybody asks!) but you don't have to be an expert to work out that 1. Emerging markets like China should continue to grow and 2. There must be money to be made somewhere in stocks associated with the manufacture and test of the new electric vehicle technologies.

Going to spend a bit of time researching and try to hoover up a few different stocks on the cheap.
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Research as much as possible mate and only invest what you're prepared to lose, stay away from leveraging that's one sure fire way to lose big as an early investor stay away from CFDs just use the invest part of 212 or the ISA

Have a plan are you going to invest hold stock long, if so how long do you want to hold it (this is what I do)
Are you're going to day trade (timing the market can be risky) and try and make a few £ a week, but remember the tax implications

Also use the practice option on 212 to try and get used to things they give you 50k to play with and I found it useful early on for finding my way round things

Anyway good luck
 
Skip Donoghue said:
From the little DD I have done on Blackberry from the Tech side and some of it is difficult to understand as I'm not a very Tech savy person, it looks like they are leading the way in regards to the software side of things with cars,

from what I can gather their platform is the only one compatable with the vast majority of car manufacturers software at present, so a roll out to make cars smart wouldn't take much it would basically make your car a drivable smart phone from what I can gather and it would link with your smart phone, giving you instant maintenance data, making maintenance pro active instead of reactive, so getting things sorted before they break down and collecting data as you drive from the sensors available,

I can see car insurance being based on this data in the future for example via your driving habits
or if your kids are using the car you can monitor their driving and so on via your phone
If you sold the car and bought a new one all the data, settings etc would just transfer straight over via your phone

An example I read was if your car was stolen you could shut it down from your phone, you would be able to communicate with the thief via the car, the car would inform the police of the theft and the police would be able to track the car easily, the cameras installed within the car would take film or stills of the thief, so if he did dump the car the police would have a mug shot

It won't be available to the car manufacturers until 2023, but it doesn't mean they won't or can't sign up to it and it gives the car manufacturers time to get themselves upto speed, but it also doesn't mean Blackberry won't see any benifits from it short term
But that's why I think it's a long term hold

The tie in with Amazon Web Services is another big plus, data is the new gold and the car manufacturers would want to ensure this is water tight from a security viewpoint and when you put AWS and Blackberry together you have just that, this isn't just a Blackberry deal Amazon have worked closely with them to get it here, it's a partnership, which may even see Amazon buy Blackberry out but that is a different story

You see Blackberry have reinvented themselves and are involved and rated very highly when it comes to cyber security (this is what they have been doing for the past 10 years after apple took the mobile phone market) our own government and the USA use them as well as many other governments and institutions throughout the world and they are about to get NSA (National Security Agency) approval they have over 80,000 servers worldwide, so this is why Amazon chose Blackberry to partner with the security and this is why Apple and Google etc can't compete, the 2 mentioned should have been looking to tie in with Blackberry but it looks like Amazon were 1st up

Sorry for the long post but these are a few things I've garnered while looking into things
All the above is just my opinion obviously and you need to do your own due dilligance
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Very interesting read. Thank you.
 
Skip Donoghue said:
From the little DD I have done on Blackberry from the Tech side and some of it is difficult to understand as I'm not a very Tech savy person, it looks like they are leading the way in regards to the software side of things with cars,

from what I can gather their platform is the only one compatable with the vast majority of car manufacturers software at present, so a roll out to make cars smart wouldn't take much it would basically make your car a drivable smart phone from what I can gather and it would link with your smart phone, giving you instant maintenance data, making maintenance pro active instead of reactive, so getting things sorted before they break down and collecting data as you drive from the sensors available,

I can see car insurance being based on this data in the future for example via your driving habits
or if your kids are using the car you can monitor their driving and so on via your phone
If you sold the car and bought a new one all the data, settings etc would just transfer straight over via your phone

An example I read was if your car was stolen you could shut it down from your phone, you would be able to communicate with the thief via the car, the car would inform the police of the theft and the police would be able to track the car easily, the cameras installed within the car would take film or stills of the thief, so if he did dump the car the police would have a mug shot

It won't be available to the car manufacturers until 2023, but it doesn't mean they won't or can't sign up to it and it gives the car manufacturers time to get themselves upto speed, but it also doesn't mean Blackberry won't see any benifits from it short term
But that's why I think it's a long term hold

The tie in with Amazon Web Services is another big plus, data is the new gold and the car manufacturers would want to ensure this is water tight from a security viewpoint and when you put AWS and Blackberry together you have just that, this isn't just a Blackberry deal Amazon have worked closely with them to get it here, it's a partnership, which may even see Amazon buy Blackberry out but that is a different story

You see Blackberry have reinvented themselves and are involved and rated very highly when it comes to cyber security (this is what they have been doing for the past 10 years after apple took the mobile phone market) our own government and the USA use them as well as many other governments and institutions throughout the world and they are about to get NSA (National Security Agency) approval they have over 80,000 servers worldwide, so this is why Amazon chose Blackberry to partner with the security and this is why Apple and Google etc can't compete, the 2 mentioned should have been looking to tie in with Blackberry but it looks like Amazon were 1st up

Sorry for the long post but these are a few things I've garnered while looking into things
All the above is just my opinion obviously and you need to do your own due dilligance
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Thanks SD, will take a look. Interesting to see how all these technologies converge with Apple Car Play, Android Auto and the work the likes of Tesla are doing or do we end up with fragmented market?
 
Skip Donoghue said:
From the little DD I have done on Blackberry from the Tech side and some of it is difficult to understand as I'm not a very Tech savy person, it looks like they are leading the way in regards to the software side of things with cars,

from what I can gather their platform is the only one compatable with the vast majority of car manufacturers software at present, so a roll out to make cars smart wouldn't take much it would basically make your car a drivable smart phone from what I can gather and it would link with your smart phone, giving you instant maintenance data, making maintenance pro active instead of reactive, so getting things sorted before they break down and collecting data as you drive from the sensors available,

I can see car insurance being based on this data in the future for example via your driving habits
or if your kids are using the car you can monitor their driving and so on via your phone
If you sold the car and bought a new one all the data, settings etc would just transfer straight over via your phone

An example I read was if your car was stolen you could shut it down from your phone, you would be able to communicate with the thief via the car, the car would inform the police of the theft and the police would be able to track the car easily, the cameras installed within the car would take film or stills of the thief, so if he did dump the car the police would have a mug shot

It won't be available to the car manufacturers until 2023, but it doesn't mean they won't or can't sign up to it and it gives the car manufacturers time to get themselves upto speed, but it also doesn't mean Blackberry won't see any benifits from it short term
But that's why I think it's a long term hold

The tie in with Amazon Web Services is another big plus, data is the new gold and the car manufacturers would want to ensure this is water tight from a security viewpoint and when you put AWS and Blackberry together you have just that, this isn't just a Blackberry deal Amazon have worked closely with them to get it here, it's a partnership, which may even see Amazon buy Blackberry out but that is a different story

You see Blackberry have reinvented themselves and are involved and rated very highly when it comes to cyber security (this is what they have been doing for the past 10 years after apple took the mobile phone market) our own government and the USA use them as well as many other governments and institutions throughout the world and they are about to get NSA (National Security Agency) approval they have over 80,000 servers worldwide, so this is why Amazon chose Blackberry to partner with the security and this is why Apple and Google etc can't compete, the 2 mentioned should have been looking to tie in with Blackberry but it looks like Amazon were 1st up

Sorry for the long post but these are a few things I've garnered while looking into things
All the above is just my opinion obviously and you need to do your own due dilligance
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No need to apologise for the post & thanks once again for your fascinating insight into BB. The tie up with Amazon will certainly be a big deal. Coincidently, whilst commenting yesterday on this thread the CEO of BB John Chen was on Bloomberg talking about this & also distancing the company away from what Google & Apple specialise in.

Had no idea how much of shift of business model they had undertaken & they seem to be doing all that is possible to stay relevant. I personally think cyber security & firms who adopt both the necessary technology & early adoption of the concept will be best placed in the future & the inevitable all digital age regardless of the industry a business resides within.

Interestingly I have read Tesla (which is prominently mentioned in the Electric Cars thread) already adopt a smartphone driven approach such as opening & starting the car as well as taking pictures via its surveillance system. Of course this approach is in its infancy with reported teething issues as smartphone hacked car entry & needing to replace USB memory drives which fill up quickly due to constant surveillance pictures using up storage.
 
Skip Donoghue said:
Research as much as possible mate and only invest what you're prepared to lose, stay away from leveraging that's one sure fire way to lose big as an early investor stay away from CFDs just use the invest part of 212 or the ISA

Have a plan are you going to invest hold stock long, if so how long do you want to hold it (this is what I do)
Are you're going to day trade (timing the market can be risky) and try and make a few £ a week, but remember the tax implications

Also use the practice option on 212 to try and get used to things they give you 50k to play with and I found it useful early on for finding my way round things

Anyway good luck
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No worries and thanks for the tips. I'm only playing with small money and I wouldn't touch CFD side with a barge pole.
Wish I'd have spotted this thread sooner, but there you go, I'm sure it will be a fun ride from here anyway.

Your comments above about data in the automotive world are spot on. I work on the diagnostic side of things and on-board collection of data from off-board storage is the way things are going, plus vehicle manufacturers are investing heavily in the "internet of things". So your Blackberry tip might turn out to be a good one.

Based on a half-hour read yesterday (nothing in-depth yet), I'm wondering whether semiconductor manufacturers might be something to look at. Everybody is looking at the vehicle manufacturers, then the battery producers, but the amount of silicon required for all this new tech is going to be considerable and the demand for Silicon Carbide Wafers might outstrip supply. Cree have already had a considerable boost in recent weeks (another I've just missed!)
 
worsleyweb said:
I absolutely piled into RBS at just over 90p. Selling today at 160 plus. In just a few months. Been best ever share trade I have ever done by a long way.
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That’s a cracking return and fair play. I’ve had a few small results of my own down the years but due to impatience I could’ve made more for sure. I had a tip for Boohoo about 4 years back - they were trading at around 110p a share but I was told they were about to take over another company and their price would go up as a result. I invested a modest amount of my SIPP fund and sure enough, the takeover happened and the price went up. However, I bailed at something like 140p a share so while I banked a couple of hundred quid profit, these days it’s trading at well over 300p a share so I could’ve made a lot more.
On the flip side, I bought several hundred quid’s worth of Carillion when they were on their arse as the price was cheap but luckily got shut a couple of weeks before they went bust!
 
RobMCFC said:
No worries and thanks for the tips. I'm only playing with small money and I wouldn't touch CFD side with a barge pole.
Wish I'd have spotted this thread sooner, but there you go, I'm sure it will be a fun ride from here anyway.

Your comments above about data in the automotive world are spot on. I work on the diagnostic side of things and on-board collection of data from off-board storage is the way things are going, plus vehicle manufacturers are investing heavily in the "internet of things". So your Blackberry tip might turn out to be a good one.

Based on a half-hour read yesterday (nothing in-depth yet), I'm wondering whether semiconductor manufacturers might be something to look at. Everybody is looking at the vehicle manufacturers, then the battery producers, but the amount of silicon required for all this new tech is going to be considerable and the demand for Silicon Carbide Wafers might outstrip supply. Cree have already had a considerable boost in recent weeks (another I've just missed!)
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I haven't looked at the semi conducter side of things mate but you could have a solid point
If you come across anything you might find interesting let us know
 
rowarta said:
Thanks SD, will take a look. Interesting to see how all these technologies converge with Apple Car Play, Android Auto and the work the likes of Tesla are doing or do we end up with fragmented market?
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The fragmented market point is a fair one, but I think the AWS/Blackberry tie in may prevent it happening as it won't take much for the OEMs to utilise the IVY platform and I think the added security that Blackberry will offer, may be the deal clincher for most, especially where the established auto manufacturers are concerned, as no one wants to let data etc get into the wrong hands
Like I said data is the new gold
 
Sold the RBS shares in full now making nearly 80 percent on a significant investment. 93p to 164p. Gone into Legal and General with the gain and took out the original investment and is enough to cover the kids student debt.

I honestly think the FTSE will hit 8000 next year at some stage. The bounce back is going to be very strong in my humble opinion.
 
worsleyweb said:
Sold the RBS shares in full now making nearly 80 percent on a significant investment. 93p to 164p. Gone into Legal and General with the gain and took out the original investment and is enough to cover the kids student debt.

I honestly think the FTSE will hit 8000 next year at some stage. The bounce back is going to be very strong in my humble opinion.
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Nice one,i wish i wasn't so cautious with my money.
 
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