Another new Brexit thread

[hilts]

So, to be honest, you have no clue how the EU works.

No you just like the EU so are happy to tip toe there and in the meantime rewrite what true democracy is.

 

[hilts]

I'm not sure I'd be all that bothered about federalism if it was more honest about it, it's more the 'totalitarian tip-toe' from the early 70's trading agreement to the political monolith it now represents I find disconcerting and in many ways a little dishonest.

You got the tip toe in before me:-)

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Nice to see another Brexiteer has decided to move production to the EU after promising to invest in British industry.







"Strategically located to provide better access to target markets." Or in layman's terms, "it's in the EU."

Story

A man who is such a proud Brit that he moved to Monaco to avoid paying any tax.

 

[blueparrot]

That’s why you voted remain unfortunately for you the majority didn’t agree with that statement. 4608 pages and we still have to do this.

No they didn’t. Then again don’t think most of those that did wanted or expected this shambles either.
I thought it was a bad idea, but that there were compromises that would have led to a deal that while not pleasing all leavers would have satisfied most and many that voted remain too, so the majority from either side would have been okay with it.
Electing these dickheads to implement it and pandering to the extreme leavers has left us in dissaray with a situation most people whatever they voted don’t want.

 

[hilts]

No they didn’t. Then again don’t think most of those that did wanted or expected this shambles either.
I thought it was a bad idea, but that there were compromises that would have led to a deal that while not pleasing all leavers would have satisfied most and many that voted remain too, so the majority from either side would have been okay with it.
Electing these dickheads to implement it and pandering to the extreme leavers has left us in dissaray with a situation most people whatever they voted don’t want.

I didn’t vote these dickheads by the way but I’m not sure you can claim to speak for leavers and what they wanted.

 

[blueparrot]

I didn’t vote these dickheads by the way but I’m not sure you can claim to speak for leavers and what they wanted.

I can speak for the leavers I know, my mum for one, the regulars that come into my coffee shop every morning, another group, so from 5 people I know voted leave none are saying this is whet they either expected or wanted, and I know 2 including my mum regret their vote for Johnson to get Brexit done.
But no can’t speak for all leavers anymore than I can all remainers, just those I know.

 

[hilts]

I can speak for the leavers I know, my mum for one, the regulars that come into my coffee shop every morning, another group, so from 5 people I know voted leave none are saying this is whet they either expected or wanted, and I know 2 including my mum regret their vote for Johnson to get Brexit done.
But no can’t speak for all leavers anymore than I can all remainers, just those I know.

Funny how often remainers seem to be surrounded by repentant leavers. So as these leavers regret voting for Johnson maybe we should cancel the last election?

That’s how it works isn’t it? In the remainer world anyhow. Except when the vote was 5 decades ago then we are stuck with that, it’s only fair I mean some posters may even be old enough to have voted in it.

I wonder with all this talk of % needed to win an election or referendum what % of today’s population voted for the EU as it is today or likely will be in the future?

Anyone care to guess?

 

[blueparrot]

Funny how often remainers seem to be surrounded by repentant leavers. So as these leavers regret voting for Johnson maybe we should cancel the last election?

That’s how it works isn’t it? In the remainer world anyhow. Except when the vote was 5 decades ago then we are stuck with that, it’s only fair I mean some posters may even be old enough to have voted in it.

I wonder with all this talk of % needed to win an election or referendum what % of today’s population voted for the EU as it is today or likely will be in the future?

Anyone care to guess?

Not what I said is it. I don’t care what anyones opinion of brexit is, I don’t care what brexit anyone voted for. I just don’t beleive anyone that voted for Brexit or even Johnson to get it done believed when they voted we would get to 3 weeks from the end of the transition period, still not having a clue what we were supposed to be transitioning to or getting prepared for.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Give it a full year and NI will formally be part of the EU!

There’s an idea.
As part of their self determination in the GFA can they conceivably choose to be while still being British in name only. Like when they win a gold medal at the European Athletics games.

 

[blueparrot]

There’s an idea.
As part of their self determination in the GFA can they conceivably choose to be while still being British in name only. Like when they win a gold medal at the European Athletics games.

Isnt that what the WA does, give or take a few bits ?

 

[hilts]

Not what I said is it. I don’t care what anyones opinion of brexit is, I don’t care what brexit anyone voted for. I just don’t beleive anyone that voted for Brexit or even Johnson to get it done believed when they voted we would get to 3 weeks from the end of the transition period, still not having a clue what we were supposed to be transitioning to or getting prepared for.

And 4 years of remainer moaning and trying to reverse the decision helped how? Some remainers should remember how the buffoon managed to get in power. They and the EU might like to reflect on how the referendum actually happened and how they lost it.

It’s the problem with remainers they ain’t half as clever as they think they are or as democratic as they should be.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Has French Mark been confirmed as the leading Tory in his fifties who has been accused of rape and is under investigation or has he been ruled out?

I was going t say the jury is still out but best not make a leading statement lol

 

[west didsblue]

There’s an idea.
As part of their self determination in the GFA can they conceivably choose to be while still being British in name only. Like when they win a gold medal at the European Athletics games.

A new meaning for BRINO!

 

[blueparrot]

And 4 years of remainer moaning and trying to reverse the decision helped how? Some remainers should remember how the buffoon managed to get in power. They and the EU might like to reflect on how the referendum actually happened and how they lost it.

It’s the problem with remainers they ain’t half as clever as they think they are or as democratic as they should be.

Are we answering the post previous, because it doesn’t answer what I posted. Simply that the people I know well enough to discuss it with or am related to that aren’t that interested in politics on either side of the argument and are disappointed with how it’s all gone, and still don’t know what brexit is going to be.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It’s the problem with remainers they ain’t half as clever as they think they are

I am.

 

[Vic]

I'm not sure I'd be all that bothered about federalism if it was more honest about it, it's more the 'totalitarian tip-toe' from the early 70's trading agreement to the political monolith it now represents I find disconcerting and in many ways a little dishonest.

I really can't see the problem with a gradualist approach to the (unlikely) possibility of a 27-member federal united states of Europe. The more nations the EU admitted, the harder it would be to get agreement to move that way.
“Ever closer union” in the Treaties is “among the peoples of Europe”, not among the Member States, e.g. the Treaty of Rome made the distinction: “Determined to lay the foundations of an ever closer union among the peoples of Europe ….."coupled with “closer relations between the States belonging to it (the Community)”. "Totalitarian" is a nonsense interpretation.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I am.

And admitting it, proves it. ;-)

 

[bluethrunthru]

So the pressure is now on Johnson - Bill Cash is a wankstain BTW.



Whilst Darren Grimes cosplays his wank fantasy

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

And 4 years of remainer moaning and trying to reverse the decision helped how? Some remainers should remember how the buffoon managed to get in power. They and the EU might like to reflect on how the referendum actually happened and how they lost it.

It’s the problem with remainers they ain’t half as clever as they think they are or as democratic as they should be.

You’ve little to complain about.

When you consider the Home Rule Bill passed in 1912 took until 1922 to actually get an Irish parliament.

Admittedly the arming of the unionists by Carson refusing the democratic will of the country, The Curragh incident where British army captains refused to take action against Ulster Loyalists, the consequential arming of the nationalist choosing to protect themselves, the gun running by both sides but particularly a blind eye being turned by the Westminster parliament to an Ulster armed militia, the 1916 Rising, the 1st world war, the 1918 elections where Sinn Fein won 73 of the 105 seats across all the 32 counties of the country, the declaration of an Irish parliament in Dublin as a result a guerrilla war fought with Britain resulting in the state (Britain) executing civilians (subjects) and their militia auxiliaries (black and tans) ransacking and burning whole towns and most of the City of Cork down,
A truce and treaty being reached between both sides of this war of independence (Scots friends take note, war not referendum)
Britain choosing to partition the country forming an unnatural border along loyalist demographics rather than either grant home rule or recognise the majority of the 1918 election thereby placating Carson and his armed militia.

But we got there. Well we got 26 counties there. Independence.

Oh and then there was the civil war because Churchill threatened Collins that he would put British troops back into the Irish Free State if he didn’t deal with the border county conflicts and atrocities that were happening to both communities by armed militias.
The pro and con treatyites were mainly due to The Irish Free State being a Dominion of the UK and having to pledge an oath of allegiance to the King yet unionists in Ulster got to opt out of a pledge to the Dail in Dublin and drew up partition of the country instead.

Then everything was absolutely rosey as we all know up to the drawing up very carefully of the GFA. Nothing much to report of any consequence in that interim period.

But no your right. People moaning in Britain about a referendum to opt out of a Union is just the pits.

Democracy? What do they or the EU know about it?

What are they like honestly?

 

[Rascal]

You realise how that concept would be heavily, heavily misused and open to corruption, right?

Parents already vote on behalf of their children.

If a man votes on behalf of his child. Then he loses his own vote. That deprives him of an opportunity to decide on the issues that concern him.

The issues that concern his children and himself may not be the same, so why do we deprive them of a vote. Do we deem people unworthy of an opinion because of age or because of political expediency.

Why would it be open to corruption?