Another new Brexit thread

[GH64]

Putting the bins out just now when Steve from over the road who works at NISSAN Washington steered me to this news - he says the news hit the plant @ lunchtime today and left them all pretty subdued

Nissan picks Japan, not Britain, to make Ariya electric car for EU

No-deal Brexit risk dashes Sunderland plant's hopes of exporting new model

asia.nikkei.com

EU and Japan signed a deal to reduce tariffs on cars in 2019. So Japan will be able to export tariff free to EU from Japan. So no need for a European base whether UK are in the EU or not - hence also why Honda is shutting Swindon and moving some of the production to the US where half of the cars go.
Would we / could we have blocked that arrangement if still in the EU? I doubt we would even if we could.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

EU and Japan signed a deal to reduce tariffs on cars in 2019. So Japan will be able to export tariff free to EU from Japan. So no need for a European base whether UK are in the EU or not - hence also why Honda is shutting Swindon and moving some of the production to the US where half of the cars go.
Would we / could we have blocked that arrangement if still in the EU? I doubt we would even if we could.

Maybe we could just bung them a massive bribe to build cars in Sunderland and stop the NE turning into a post-industrial wasteland? It worked in the 80's

 

[west didsblue]

EU and Japan signed a deal to reduce tariffs on cars in 2019. So Japan will be able to export tariff free to EU from Japan. So no need for a European base whether UK are in the EU or not - hence also why Honda is shutting Swindon and moving some of the production to the US where half of the cars go.
Would we / could we have blocked that arrangement if still in the EU? I doubt we would even if we could.

If we were still in the EU the factory in the UK would have been on a level playing field with the Japanese ones from 2026 as you say. So if Sunderland remained competitive there would be no reason why they wouldn’t have put new models in there. Add some barriers as we are doing and of course they’ll run it down.

 

[GH64]

Maybe we could just bung them a massive bribe to build cars in Sunderland and stop the NE turning into a post-industrial wasteland? It worked in the 80's

Makes sense to give some aid, (bribes a big no no these days). That's why they're having the big argument about state aid rules, to try to stop our Govt doing that.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Maybe we could just bung them a massive bribe to build cars in Sunderland and stop the NE turning into a post-industrial wasteland? It worked in the 80's

few Mackems up here looking to feed their families next year are asking - Sovereignty - is it better grilled or boiled?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

few Mackems up here looking to feed their families next year are asking - Sovereignty - is it better grilled or boiled?

Well, it's not like they weren't warned is it.

 

[GH64]

If we were still in the EU the factory in the UK would have been on a level playing field with the Japanese ones from 2026 as you say. So if Sunderland remained competitive there would be no reason why they wouldn’t have put new models in there. Add some barriers as we are doing and of course they’ll run it down.

I was going to post something else but Liverpool scored and I don't care anymore.

 

[BobKowalski]

Maybe we could just bung them a massive bribe to build cars in Sunderland and stop the NE turning into a post-industrial wasteland? It worked in the 80's

Nissan invested in the 80’s because they were sold the promise of free market tariff free access to Europe. You need a plan, just chucking money at them would not have worked.

That promise has now been broken, which is why there will always be a cloud over Nissan Sunderland and why direct investment from Japan, outside of financial services has declined.

 

[Rascal]

Germany run the Eu.
It shows the order has gone out from Berlin to Brussels to expedite the rollout of the vaccine on the 21st December.

Have your bats vacated your belfry?

 

[Vic]

Maybe we could just bung them a massive bribe to build cars in Sunderland and stop the NE turning into a post-industrial wasteland? It worked in the 80's

They've already had nearly a billion quid in grants and other benefits.

 

[bluethrunthru]

They've already had nearly a billion quid on grants and other benefits.

so they were already levelled up? Just shows how far behind in investment and support terms the North East has been compared with the South East.....

 

[bluethrunthru]

as well as the poor the young will be affected the mostly by Brexit - sadly for them as the come of age the option to rejoin with the benefits we had is no longer open to them. When the young look back on this period in future they will find it hard to forgive.

UK set to lose access to Erasmus exchange programme as Brexit talks struggle

British officials preparing ‘domestic’ alternative to EU programme as Barnier accuses UK of ‘cherry-picking’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[mcfc1632]

Yes. Often. The basic pattern is: UK concede on principle, then EU are happy to negotiate on detail. For further evidence see Withdrawal Agreement & NI protocols where there has been good progress on establishing an internal UK customs border.

Obviously having an internal customs border separating UK sovereign territory is a huge win for team UK. Honestly, I have tears of pride rolling down my cheeks. Proper choked.

Typical distraction

The WA was the legacy of the Remainer led era

This TA has been led by the pro-Brexit lobby and it is the (almighty) EU that are also giving ground as they face the genuine prospect of a no-deal outcome:

Katya Adler
@BBCkatyaadler

Replying to
@BBCkatyaadler
On EU side, guesses are that chief negotiator Barnier will -in the end- call the bluff of EU coastal nations. Along the lines of: If you don’t compromise on fish, we’ll have no deal at all - at far greater cost!.. This is for the coming hours/days, Im told /8

11:44 AM · Dec 16, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

 

[mcfc1632]

Classic Brexit. You have zero idea what BoJo has signed up to but claim success anyway.

Nonsense - I just stated my clear view of the facts:

"The situation now is only a question of how 'clean' the break with the EU is, with the range being - very very clean - really clean

Whatever - we Leavers are well past what we could have hoped for pre-2016 and certainly 2016 - 2019

A genuine Brexit is now pretty much secured and, whilst I might get a bit disappointed if there are a couple concessions on LPF procedures etc. I will just accept that the mission has been accomplished beyond whatever outcome I ever thought possible before January 2020"

Is spot on how I see things - FFS - when I think back to what May would have committed the UK too.....

 

[mcfc1632]

well considering taking back control was one of the main points talked about during the vote and every election we’ve had after - I’d assume that is one of the main reasons people voted

we also had an election where leaving the single market and customs union was one of the main policies

Some are still locked in the world of pre June 2016 campaigning - they simply have not gotten over the electorate having the temerity to vote to Leave

 

[mcfc1632]

EU and Japan signed a deal to reduce tariffs on cars in 2019. So Japan will be able to export tariff free to EU from Japan. So no need for a European base whether UK are in the EU or not - hence also why Honda is shutting Swindon and moving some of the production to the US where half of the cars go.
Would we / could we have blocked that arrangement if still in the EU? I doubt we would even if we could.

The reality of matters and the truth of things is just so inconvenient to some of the posters

 

[mat]

Alastair Campbell: The 23-year-old book that explains Brexit

'The Sovereign Individual' was co-authored by William Rees-Mogg, father of Jacob. Its politics are those of the modern libertarian right

www.tortoisemedia.com

Interesting read.

 

[mcfc1632]

Makes sense to give some aid, (bribes a big no no these days). That's why they're having the big argument about state aid rules, to try to stop our Govt doing that.

Yep - it is disappointing that so many posters on here support the EU seeking to constrain the UK so that UK interests are damaged - just so that they bask in being able to say they were right on a football forum

 

[Vic]

as well as the poor the young will be affected the mostly by Brexit - sadly for them as the come of age the option to rejoin with the benefits we had is no longer open to them. When the young look back on this period in future they will find it hard to forgive.

UK set to lose access to Erasmus exchange programme as Brexit talks struggle

British officials preparing ‘domestic’ alternative to EU programme as Barnier accuses UK of ‘cherry-picking’

www.independent.co.uk

The government is planning a UK-wide alternative to a European exchange programme?

Next we'll have a UK alternative to the Grand Tour. Hull, Hell and Halifax.

 

[Vic]

Nonsense - I just stated my clear view of the facts:

"The situation now is only a question of how 'clean' the break with the EU is, with the range being - very very clean - really clean

Whatever - we Leavers are well past what we could have hoped for pre-2016 and certainly 2016 - 2019

A genuine Brexit is now pretty much secured and, whilst I might get a bit disappointed if there are a couple concessions on LPF procedures etc. I will just accept that the mission has been accomplished beyond whatever outcome I ever thought possible before January 2020"

Is spot on how I see things - FFS - when I think back to what May would have committed the UK too.....

The more "genuine" the Brexit, the more damaging to the UK's future.

Everyone admits it but you.