West Brom (h) post-match thread

[jrb]

And there's the difference.

The Scouse c**ts get another late winner, while we squander 2 late winning opportunities late night.

 

[Sulaiman14]

I still believe that Pep is the best coach for City..
He worked on the defense and I believe that we are seeing the best city defense in our history..
We just need to start scoring from the chances that we create

 

[remember arthur mann]

Imagine Harry Kane in our team , he’d get 30 goals without breaking into a sweat.

Not with performances like tonight's !

 

[Sulaiman14]

And there's the difference.

The Scouse c**ts get another late winner, while we squander 2 late winning opportunities late night.

A goal from a deflection and another one from a corner..
I guess we need to learn how to be as lucky as them..

 

[nellyonthewing]

A goal from a deflection and another one from a corner..
I guess we need to learn how to be as lucky as them..

How is scoring from a corner lucky?

 

[nellyonthewing]

Not with a performance like tonight's !

With the amount of time we spend camped on the opponents box playing ' find the 8 stone midget' he would.

 

[A57 the snake]

A goal from a deflection and another one from a corner..
I guess we need to learn how to be as lucky as them..

I don’t think it’s luck mate 76% of possession and score with a last minute header , similar to us last night except we had two last minute headers, but failed to score with .
just saying pal.

 

[sandiegoblue]

Nor does a random billy big bollocks intervention defending some vacuous rah-rah post criticising others.

Are you his mum?

Garry’s right. Just because you post more doesn’t give you a right to put down fellow blues who are contributing to the forum whether you agree with their comments or not. Some people prefer to read, absorb and stay silent, whereas others prefer to spout off, neither being more of a supporter than the other. If you disagree, then carry on being post counting and checking how many likes you get if that is what is important to you.

 

[VOOMER]

Garry’s right. Just because you post more doesn’t give you a right to put down fellow blues who are contributing to the forum whether you agree with their comments or not. Some people prefer to read, absorb and stay silent, whereas others prefer to spout off, neither being more of a supporter than the other. If you disagree, then carry on being post counting and checking how many likes you get if that is what is important to you.

Sniff sniff

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Don't have time for a long debate but I don't think most of that is a solution to the issue or indeed the problem.

The two man pivot is not bollocks. Pep has arrived there for a very specific reason and that side of things seems to be working but I'm afraid we need to see more of it in the near term. Ultimately, we will probably need to find a new DM to add tot the squad who is more like Dinho, ideally a cross of the right elements of Dinho and Yaya but not sure that even exists!

One pivot might help us add creativity to the line-up but if the players getting on the end of chances don't finish, it won't help a lot and the final third is crowded enough with the way our opponents play.

An aerially commanding centre forward would give us a different option but they need to be more than that. There's perhaps one player that the club need to break the bank for but will they?

I still believe that if we continue to defend as we have been, we will begin to rack up wins. Last night as disappointing as the performance was, our failure to keep a clean sheet was down to an unlucky o.g.

"Pep has arrived there for a very specific reason and that side of things seems to be working but I'm afraid we need to see more of it in the near term".

I think pep has arrived there because of a few reasons mate, and I disagree about it working. One reason is because Rodri flatters to deceive with those neat passing stats of close range sideways and backwards easy options, and he's too slow to cut out danger when teams spring an attack. His tackling is ok, nothing special and he's ok in the air. But he doesn't drive forward enough and lays the ball off instead far too often. I think he's been a poor buy and not suited to this league and I can't see him adapting as he's too casual and laid back. Gundogan as a anchorman(6) is also suspect. His main problem is he's frightened of putting a tackle in most of the time for fear of getting another bad injury. He's still a bit of an enigma but still has no pace to punish teams when he's playing well. He's another who isn't good enough and won't further improve us. Both players cannot deputise as a DM for an ageing 35 year old anywhere near the level of Dinho. We were led to believe Rodri was the answer but it doesn't look like it so far.

This two man anchorman(pivot) is stifling creativity when we play treacle toes and Gunneddog together there. He's devising a system not to lose and it is piss poor to watch two plodders together.

And you're absolutely right about a replacement for Fernandinho because neither treacle toes trotter or Gundo are the answer, either played together or as a single pervert, I'm not saying pivot again; )... We may already have the(eventual) solution in young Doyle but he isn't getting much of a sniff, certainly not in league games. It makes me wonder if his time will come with Pep preferring to buy ready made talent to improve on. I also think Stones could make a solid DM if he keeps progressing as he is.

One anchorman is enough I think and whoever is selected needs to form better communication with our Brazilian Braveheart because it's transpiring to be that Eddie is becoming too rash and hot-headed in not quite knowing when to stay on his line or race out like a madman. I like Ederson but he definitely needs to improve on his positional awareness, decision making, and shot stopping.

It's imperative we sign a no nonsense tough tackling LB because Mendy has shown that he is not the answer, nor are Zinco Cancelo or Ake.

We are not scoring enough chances created, it's as simple as that. And the most frustrating thing is too many players in the side are getting played week after week and not doing enough to merit starting. We have several alternative options sat on the bench or not in the match day squad but Pep being Pep stubbornly keeps playing his favourites.

A agree we need to spend big to sign a striker, either Haland or Mbappe are the right age with world class attributes. I'd break the bank for Alfie's lad and he'd probably sign if we bid the right money.

I think Pep should have given Delap another chance soon after scoring on his debut, especially with Aguero and Jesus out injured at same time. He is one for the future but if he's not getting minutes his future may lie elsewhere, Sancho a good example of that.

There are many things that Pep needs to address to get us consistently winning again and I'm not talking boring scrappy wins either. We have managed to go from a team that breaks from the back with pace intuitively knowing who is where with slick one touch passing, to a side that is fast becoming like the teams we were sweeping aside with ease. Not only that, I don't see us harrying teams to nick the ball like we did.

The bar Pep been raised has been set so high it's almost impossible to maintain that level. Two magnificent seasons amassing 198 points several records broken and jaw-dropping exciting football could not be maintained, and our decline from those giddy heights is alarming, especially with the squad we have at our disposal.

No manager in world football is infallible to getting sacked and if results don't start picking up soon then Pep will be under real pressure. I don't want to come across doom and gloom, just being realistic, but imagine if we lost all games before the January transfer window. I don't want to think of it either, but if that happens he may not be even here to survive it.

Let's all hope results start improving and we back to winning ways because PL managers cannot rest on their laurels no matter what they have previously acheived in the game. We shall soon see whether Pep is up to the task of rebuilding or not ...

 

[sir baconface]

Garry’s right. Just because you post more doesn’t give you a right to put down fellow blues who are contributing to the forum whether you agree with their comments or not. Some people prefer to read, absorb and stay silent, whereas others prefer to spout off, neither being more of a supporter than the other. If you disagree, then carry on being post counting and checking how many likes you get if that is what is important to you.

Fine, mate. It’s your choice whether to simply read, absorb and stay silent or - as in this case - spout off. On the rare occasion you stick your head above the parapet, to have a dig at “wannabe managers” and assert that Pep can do no wrong, be prepared for someone to call you out. Which I did.

Season’s greetings.

 

[ZanteWeatherman]

Firstly he’s at Leipzig and also he plays a lot higher at Leipzig. I want a left back who is actually a left back who can attack and defend

Leipzig indeed, my bad. My point stands though. With 75% of the ball every match, we need some power from the left going forward, we ain't getting that at the moment. The defence with whoever plays left back is ok, it's the attack/midfield presence and input of a decent left back that needs attention (imho).

 

[ZanteWeatherman]

Yeah... he knows he went to Leipzig

As I said, Leipzig indeed, my bad, but my point still stands.

 

[sandiegoblue]

Fine, mate. It’s your choice whether to simply read, absorb and stay silent or - as in this case - spout off. On the rare occasion you stick your head above the parapet, to have a dig at “wannabe managers” and assert that Pep can do no wrong, be prepared for someone to call you out. Which I did.

Season’s greetings.

Twisting my words there matey. I never said Pep could do no wrong. Also, I don’t mind you or anybody calling me out, as it’s to be expected on a forum. However, what you did was throw post count numbers out there. Why does that even matter?It is not right as it is just rock throwing that discourages contribution to the dialogue. Hey, that’s another post on my count. Maybe I’ll catch up to you one day and my balls will get really big. Maybe I’ll get a like too.

 

[big gaz]

And there's the difference.

The Scouse c**ts get another late winner, while we squander 2 late winning opportunities late night.

It was the first one that kills me, how does that loop into the net ? For us its a corner or the ball lands near the half way line.

 

[sir baconface]

Twisting my words there matey. I never said Pep could do no wrong. Also, I don’t mind you or anybody calling me out, as it’s to be expected on a forum. However, what you did was throw post count numbers out there. Why does that even matter?It is not right as it is just rock throwing that discourages contribution to the dialogue. Hey, that’s another post on my count. Maybe I’ll catch up to you one day and my balls will get really big. Maybe I’ll get a like too.

I've given you a like to help you on your way :)

I was just testing you out, mate, a bit like calling a newcomer a rag. It's how things roll on here and isn't something to dwell on.

All the best to you for the festive season.

 

[kippax4ever]

Jesus, Ake, Rodri, Sterling, Cancelo & Mendy

not good good enough at all

Pep sulk over Laporte needs to stop now, Ake shouldn’t be starting over him ever

Jesus, Ake, Rodri, Sterling, Cancelo & Mendy

not good good enough at all

You are FFS,and I claim my £10..

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

There is clearly something not quite right with City at the moment, but I don't think it's anywhere near as badly out as some on here think. It may well be true that Pep and co are planning a-clear-out-and-bring-in exercise in the summer - I can see the sense in that - but I still have the feeling that we'll win (at least!) the PL title at the end of the season. Had the ball run a little more favourably in this, "our bad phase" we could have been right up there. We all know that we aren't taking enough chances, but had KdB put the penalty against the scousers just INSIDE the post and had Raheem or Gundo headed anywhere but straight at Johnson's leg in stoppage time on Tuesday, we'd be 1 point behind the scousers with a game in hand and level with Spurs with a game in hand. And on Tuesday we were the victims of a goal was the pure creation of the wicked fairies. I have to believe this team will get better very soon and that it will be then the best team in PL. Managed by the man best qualified to put things right. Then, come the end of the season we can bring in Messi (if not already here!), Frenkie de Jong, Mbappe and any of the mouth watering names we hear about to complete the next generation to crash the 100 point barrier.

 

[OB1]

"Pep has arrived there for a very specific reason and that side of things seems to be working but I'm afraid we need to see more of it in the near term".

I think pep has arrived there because of a few reasons mate, and I disagree about it working. One reason is because Rodri flatters to deceive with those neat passing stats of close range sideways and backwards easy options, and he's too slow to cut out danger when teams spring an attack. His tackling is ok, nothing special and he's ok in the air. But he doesn't drive forward enough and lays the ball off instead far too often. I think he's been a poor buy and not suited to this league and I can't see him adapting as he's too casual and laid back. Gundogan as a anchorman(6) is also suspect. His main problem is he's frightened of putting a tackle in most of the time for fear of getting another bad injury. He's still a bit of an enigma but still has no pace to punish teams when he's playing well. He's another who isn't good enough and won't further improve us. Both players cannot deputise as a DM for an ageing 35 year old anywhere near the level of Dinho. We were led to believe Rodri was the answer but it doesn't look like it so far.

This two man anchorman(pivot) is stifling creativity when we play treacle toes and Gunneddog together there. He's devising a system not to lose and it is piss poor to watch two plodders together.

And you're absolutely right about a replacement for Fernandinho because neither treacle toes trotter or Gundo are the answer, either played together or as a single pervert, I'm not saying pivot again; )... We may already have the(eventual) solution in young Doyle but he isn't getting much of a sniff, certainly not in league games. It makes me wonder if his time will come with Pep preferring to buy ready made talent to improve on. I also think Stones could make a solid DM if he keeps progressing as he is.

One anchorman is enough I think and whoever is selected needs to form better communication with our Brazilian Braveheart because it's transpiring to be that Eddie is becoming too rash and hot-headed in not quite knowing when to stay on his line or race out like a madman. I like Ederson but he definitely needs to improve on his positional awareness, decision making, and shot stopping.

It's imperative we sign a no nonsense tough tackling LB because Mendy has shown that he is not the answer, nor are Zinco Cancelo or Ake.

We are not scoring enough chances created, it's as simple as that. And the most frustrating thing is too many players in the side are getting played week after week and not doing enough to merit starting. We have several alternative options sat on the bench or not in the match day squad but Pep being Pep stubbornly keeps playing his favourites.

A agree we need to spend big to sign a striker, either Haland or Mbappe are the right age with world class attributes. I'd break the bank for Alfie's lad and he'd probably sign if we bid the right money.

I think Pep should have given Delap another chance soon after scoring on his debut, especially with Aguero and Jesus out injured at same time. He is one for the future but if he's not getting minutes his future may lie elsewhere, Sancho a good example of that.

There are many things that Pep needs to address to get us consistently winning again and I'm not talking boring scrappy wins either. We have managed to go from a team that breaks from the back with pace intuitively knowing who is where with slick one touch passing, to a side that is fast becoming like the teams we were sweeping aside with ease. Not only that, I don't see us harrying teams to nick the ball like we did.

The bar Pep been raised has been set so high it's almost impossible to maintain that level. Two magnificent seasons amassing 198 points several records broken and jaw-dropping exciting football could not be maintained, and our decline from those giddy heights is alarming, especially with the squad we have at our disposal.

No manager in world football is infallible to getting sacked and if results don't start picking up soon then Pep will be under real pressure. I don't want to come across doom and gloom, just being realistic, but imagine if we lost all games before the January transfer window. I don't want to think of it either, but if that happens he may not be even here to survive it.

Let's all hope results start improving and we back to winning ways because PL managers cannot rest on their laurels no matter what they have previously acheived in the game. We shall soon see whether Pep is up to the task of rebuilding or not ...

The reason he's using the current system is primarily to stop us getting hit by counter-attacks. The cause may in no small part be having DM's who can't do the job Dinho did at his peak because they don't have the same mobility. However, even with one very mobile DM we are still exposed to a higher degree than the current formation is.

The system has worked so far if the prime reason is as I suggest. One goal conceded in seven games and that a lucky o.g. that was not down to a counter attack.

The set-up with have is capable of playing entertaining football but it's actually really tough to do when we play teams that defend in a way that denies us space around the penalty area. If we don't score early goals to force teams out of their shells, we end up in a war of attrition.

I'm sure there are some adjustments we could make to our play but whether they would work with our squad is another matter. Regardless of which, we need to hit the target more because, whether you like stats or not, our super dull side has more shots than any other team.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

The reason he's using the current system is primarily to stop us getting hit by counter-attacks. The cause may in no small part be having DM's who can't do the job Dinho did at his peak because they don't have the same mobility. However, even with one very mobile DM we are still exposed to a higher degree than the current formation is.

The system has worked so far if the prime reason is as I suggest. One goal conceded in seven games and that a lucky o.g. that was not down to a counter attack.

The set-up with have is capable of playing entertaining football but it's actually really tough to do when we play teams that defend in a way that denies us space around the penalty area. If we don't score early goals to force teams out of their shells, we end up in a war of attrition.

I'm sure there are some adjustments we could make to our play but whether they would work with our squad is another matter. Regardless of which, we need to hit the target more because, whether you like stats or not, our super dull side has more shots than any other team.

I know why Pep is using the current system and I don't agree with it. We may not be conceding many but our scoring has dried up. And the frustrating thing is we have a good subs bench to choose from but Pep is too reluctant to make changes.

You know I'm not one for pushing stats mate. We may have the majority of possession but possession stats, shots on goal and corners are deceiving, especially for someone who hasn't seen the game. When we were thrashing teams the stats were a lot more convincing than they currently are because for all the shots we had we were putting plenty of chances away, unlike we are now.