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Telegraph reporting that 500,000 will have been vaccinated by this weekend and that next week we will be at 200k per day.

They also say they understand that the MHRA is waiting on some data from the Oxford vaccine group which is expected on Monday with Whitehall expecting the MHRA to approve it on Dec 28th/29th.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-55372241

They go on to say that the vulnerable groups are expected to be vaccinated by March.

The cost to the business, and the country to Covid is incalculable so once an easily distributable vaccine is available, expect an unprecedented campaign.

The US will also get out of this very quickly because the Moderna vaccine has been approved. And that requires -20 C storage which will enable them to distribute their vaccines quickly. It's difficult to understand why the UK did not acquire the Moderna vaccine in large numbers (unless they knew that Moderna would prioritise the US).
 
Marvin said:
It's difficult to understand why the UK did not acquire the Moderna vaccine in large numbers (unless they knew that Moderna would prioritise the US).
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UK strategy was to go for a range of vaccines with different technologies to spread risk. Pfizer and Moderna are very similar, so it's not unreasonable to choose to prioritise one or the other.

I think Moderna capacity is generally considered less than Pfizer, though the extent to which either can scale as intended is a good one.

The UK vaccine strategy is IMO the only positive of our response as a country, both in terms of protecting our own population but also supporting the wider world through development and funding of oxford, and funding of Covax.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
UK strategy was to go for a range of vaccines with different technologies to spread risk. Pfizer and Moderna are very similar, so it's not unreasonable to choose to prioritise one or the other.

I think Moderna capacity is generally considered less than Pfizer, though the extent to which either can scale as intended is a good one.

The UK vaccine strategy is IMO the only positive of our response as a country, both in terms of protecting our own population but also supporting the wider world through development and funding of oxford, and funding of Covax.
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Just read an article that says we've preordered 7 million moderna doses! Dunno if sumat has changed?
 
twosips said:
Just read an article that says we've preordered 7 million moderna doses! Dunno if sumat has changed?
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I think we ordered these once the results were known rather than in anticipation.
Moderna have received a lot of funding through WARP speed , in all honesty the USA are always going to get first shot here.
 
Marvin said:
Telegraph reporting that 500,000 will have been vaccinated by this weekend and that next week we will be at 200k per day.

They also say they understand that the MHRA is waiting on some data from the Oxford vaccine group which is expected on Monday with Whitehall expecting the MHRA to approve it on Dec 28th/29th.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-55372241

They go on to say that the vulnerable groups are expected to be vaccinated by March.

The cost to the business, and the country to Covid is incalculable so once an easily distributable vaccine is available, expect an unprecedented campaign.

The US will also get out of this very quickly because the Moderna vaccine has been approved. And that requires -20 C storage which will enable them to distribute their vaccines quickly. It's difficult to understand why the UK did not acquire the Moderna vaccine in large numbers (unless they knew that Moderna would prioritise the US).
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I've just read the Telegraph article and they say that the mass vaccination roll out starts in the first week in January using sites at football stadia etc. This will be using the Oxford/Astra Zeneca vaccine as currently four million doses are reported to be ready but Astra Zeneca have said they can produce a further fifteen milion doses in days (I reckon they are producing them already as it is clear it's going to be approved). Regardless of the relative efficiency rate compared to say the Pfizer vaccine the Oxford vaccine had no-one hospitalised or dying in any age group even if they did get Covid. There is also evidence (not proof yet) that it reduces transmission, which would be very significant.

Regarding vaccine orders, the government had to spread the risk as no-one knew which vaccines in development would work and they have done a great job actually in picking winners. Obviously having a UK option is a huge advantage so it's going to be full steam ahead in a couple of weeks. Health centres, pharmacies, hospitals, drive through sites and so on will get through the most at risk groups very rapidly.
 
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Colleagues last night reporting loads crossing Tier boundaries to go on the piss.

Sad as fuck but not unexpected,given the farcical system and the amount of fucking idiots that exist and cant be trusted.
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One teacher and two office staff at my work decided to have a girly drunken get together in one of their houses yesterday afternoon to celebrate breaking up for Xmas. They plastered drunken pics all cuddled up on together on the work watsapp group! I mean, are people that thick or just plane desperate. We’ve got one staff member fighting for her life with it as well. I fuckin give up. Off the head finds out they’re in big shit, not to mention they’re breaking the law
 
wattle said:
One teacher and two office staff at my work decided to have a girly drunken get together in one of their houses yesterday afternoon to celebrate breaking up for Xmas. They plastered drunken pics all cuddled up on together on the work watsapp group! I mean, are people that thick or just plane desperate. We’ve got one staff member fighting for her life with it as well. I fuckin give up. Off the head finds out they’re in big shit, not to mention they’re breaking the law
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I'd be getting shot of them for misconduct and stupidity ., there's lot's of people who could step into their jobs I'd imagine at the moment.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
UK strategy was to go for a range of vaccines with different technologies to spread risk. Pfizer and Moderna are very similar, so it's not unreasonable to choose to prioritise one or the other.

I think Moderna capacity is generally considered less than Pfizer, though the extent to which either can scale as intended is a good one.

The UK vaccine strategy is IMO the only positive of our response as a country, both in terms of protecting our own population but also supporting the wider world through development and funding of oxford, and funding of Covax.
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There's a huge difference in distributing a vaccine that is unstable above -70 C and one that is stable below -20 C.

Whether the UK could have secured early delivery, I don't know, hence the rider I made in brackets.

Vaccination is q question of effectiveness and also of logistics,

No point having an atomic bomb if you don't have a missile or an aeroplane capable of delivering it (not a very good analogy perhaps, but I am sure you get the point).
 
www.dailymail.co.uk

London and south east could be 'cut off' from the rest of the UK

Boris Johnson has summoned an emergency press conference after holding crisis talks with Cabinet - amid signs that swathes of the South East will be shifted up to a new 'Tier 4'.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Great yet Christmas still carries on ! I read the other day police had to break up people trying to get into a pub in London, and as I said yesterday its getting out of control around here (SE). I thought in tier 3 you couldn't make unnecessary journeys, so in effect the SE is already cut off. I think that article just shows how ineffective the guidelines are. People around have been ignoring the guidelines for months now. I cant remember ever seeing any shop with someone on the door stopping people without masks.

My son has done it as his shop but he comes home so fed up and angry because of all the abuse he gets when he stops someone. These people that wouldnt wear masks tend to be the horrible gobby part of society.

I have worked with only a few days of this year, and as each day goes by now I am getting more and more concerned for my family safety. We have followed all the guidelines, but because I work amongst the public, son in a big shop and sons gf in intensive care. The way alot of the public behave in this area we are getting seriously worried that one of us could catch it even following the guidelines and bring it into the house where my missus is a diabetic and is having tests because her immune system is down abit. Sorry to rant on but I've had enough of these bastards not following guidelines.
 
wattle said:
One teacher and two office staff at my work decided to have a girly drunken get together in one of their houses yesterday afternoon to celebrate breaking up for Xmas. They plastered drunken pics all cuddled up on together on the work watsapp group! I mean, are people that thick or just plane desperate. We’ve got one staff member fighting for her life with it as well. I fuckin give up. Off the head finds out they’re in big shit, not to mention they’re breaking the law
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Sack them forward the pictures to the head and police
 
I know of a couple of groups of ppl who crossed county lines last night to have a night out in Alderley Edge, one group declaring it a ‘business meeting’. I know the hospitality sector is desperate for cash through the tills right now, but they have a duty to ensure the rules are being kept to.
 
wattle said:
One teacher and two office staff at my work decided to have a girly drunken get together in one of their houses yesterday afternoon to celebrate breaking up for Xmas. They plastered drunken pics all cuddled up on together on the work watsapp group! I mean, are people that thick or just plane desperate. We’ve got one staff member fighting for her life with it as well. I fuckin give up. Off the head finds out they’re in big shit, not to mention they’re breaking the law
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And we are trusting these people with educating the future.....twats.
 
@roubaixtuesday was it your good self who put up a graph of vaccination rate Vs expected R number? Something like that, I cannot for the life of me find it. Apologies if not you.
 
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