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FAA and Boeing manipulated 737 Max tests during recertification

A blistering new Senate report details multiple safety failures.
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Boeing and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) worked together to manipulate 737 Max recertification tests following two fatal crashes in 2018 and 2019, according to a damning new Senate report. Boeing “inappropriately coached” some FAA test pilots to reach a desired outcome during the recertification tests, and some were even performed on simulators that weren’t equipped to re-create the same conditions as the crashes.

The FAA is also accused of retaliating against whistleblowers, possibly obstructing the Office of the Inspector General’s investigation into the crashes, failing to hold senior managers accountable, and allowing Southwest Airlines to operate dozens of improperly certified planes.

“Our findings are troubling,” Sen. Roger Wicker (R-MS), who chairs the committee, said in a statement. “The report details a number of significant examples of lapses in aviation safety oversight and failed leadership in the FAA. It is clear that the agency requires consistent oversight to ensure their work to protect the flying public is executed fully and correctly”

In one particular FAA test performed on the right simulator, a whistleblower says Boeing officials were present and told the test pilots when to hit the switch that killed MCAS.

When these actions were reported by whistleblowers, they were often ignored or retaliated against, according to the report.
 
HelloCity said:
www.theverge.com

FAA and Boeing manipulated 737 Max tests during recertification

A blistering new Senate report details multiple safety failures.
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com

Boeing and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) worked together to manipulate 737 Max recertification tests following two fatal crashes in 2018 and 2019, according to a damning new Senate report. Boeing “inappropriately coached” some FAA test pilots to reach a desired outcome during the recertification tests, and some were even performed on simulators that weren’t equipped to re-create the same conditions as the crashes.

The FAA is also accused of retaliating against whistleblowers, possibly obstructing the Office of the Inspector General’s investigation into the crashes, failing to hold senior managers accountable, and allowing Southwest Airlines to operate dozens of improperly certified planes.

“Our findings are troubling,” Sen. Roger Wicker (R-MS), who chairs the committee, said in a statement. “The report details a number of significant examples of lapses in aviation safety oversight and failed leadership in the FAA. It is clear that the agency requires consistent oversight to ensure their work to protect the flying public is executed fully and correctly”

In one particular FAA test performed on the right simulator, a whistleblower says Boeing officials were present and told the test pilots when to hit the switch that killed MCAS.

When these actions were reported by whistleblowers, they were often ignored or retaliated against, according to the report.
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Truly shocking. Playing roulette with other people's lives.
 
From the report:

The beginning of this report quoted Harry Stonecipher, the Chief Executive Officer of McDonnell Douglas who became the President and Chief Operating Officer of Boeing, who in 2004 told the Chicago Tribune: “When people say I changed the culture of Boeing, that was the intent, so it’s run like a business rather than a great engineering firm.” It is unfortunate that many current and former Boeing employees the Committee has spoken to during this investigation believe Boeing has succeeded in meeting that goal. They understand they once worked for a great engineering firm, and many hope that they will again in the future. But they realize this will happen only if Boeing begins to refocus its engineering expertise on building great, safe aircraft, and that this endeavor will be a long-term challenge.
 
I don't remember so much false information and smokescreen about any other product. Me thinks he doth protest too much. There is a lot more information that is being hidden and more people will loose their lives because of it
 
EasyJet do not fly Boeings. They only fly airbus.
Jet2 fly Boeings but will not buy the MAX
Tui has orders for MAXs.
 
HelloCity said:
From the report:

The beginning of this report quoted Harry Stonecipher, the Chief Executive Officer of McDonnell Douglas who became the President and Chief Operating Officer of Boeing, who in 2004 told the Chicago Tribune: “When people say I changed the culture of Boeing, that was the intent, so it’s run like a business rather than a great engineering firm.” It is unfortunate that many current and former Boeing employees the Committee has spoken to during this investigation believe Boeing has succeeded in meeting that goal. They understand they once worked for a great engineering firm, and many hope that they will again in the future. But they realize this will happen only if Boeing begins to refocus its engineering expertise on building great, safe aircraft, and that this endeavor will be a long-term challenge.
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Capitalism at it’s best, all about business and profit, it’s the great American dream
 
RadcliffeRick said:
I don't remember so much false information and smokescreen about any other product. Me thinks he doth protest too much. There is a lot more information that is being hidden and more people will loose their lives because of it
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Now, what makes you say that? Clearly, getting to market quickly was important, and the TRUE PICTURE of MCAS was hidden (especially by one person in particular), but it was the interaction of multiple problems, NONE OF WHICH could be immediately understood, that was the problem.

The fact that I flew the aircraft multiple times BEFORE we knew what we now know pisses me off no end, because it could just as easily have been my flight, not Lion Air or Ethiopian, that experienced the problem!

What was an MCAS problem (which was unknown) presented as an “UNRELIABLE AIRSPEED” problem, but was quickly compounded by what seemed like a “STAB TRIM RUNAWAY” problem. Both can quickly cause significant problems. Couple that with the fact that the problem kicked in at (or shortly after) Autopilot engagement, when most pilots are taking a breath after an often challenging series of departure maneuvers, and both the timing and confluence of events made a quick resolution almost impossible!

Today, you would just click off the Autopilot, move the Stab Trim to CUTOFF, if it kept moving, and simply pick a pitch and power setting for configuration and the airplane will fly all day.

To me, the bigger problem is often the cascading alarms and warnings created by multiple failures, the silencing of which are often neglected while doing procedures. A quiet cockpit is usually a much more efficient cockpit, but traditional multiple alarms are LOUD AND DISTRACTING (by design!) create more confusion than anything as they overlay each other.

Beyond that, MCAS is now known. It has dual inputs (like everything else) and the aircraft flies like a dream!

That said, there’s a good chance I’d have significantly struggled to survive the first crash, but like to think I’d have handled the second one without too much trouble.

I just did my annual sim training in early December and we went through the procedures multiple times.
 
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ChicagoBlue said:
No hyperbole there!
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it's not safe, they've been lying and concealing at the expense of the public all the way through and continue to do so. It should be banned, Boeing should have to refund every single plane and if they go bust so be it. Need to stop big companies cheating when it costs innocent people their lives.
 
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