I think you’re missing my point. I would only want a delay to allow time to facilitate a deal, because that’s clearly going to be less damaging than no deal.
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bluethrunthru
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I'm sitting pretty on a stack of ten, count 'em, ten, tins of Heinz chicken soup.
I tried one today and it turns out that - unfortunately - my tastes must have changed since my teens because it was the worst thing I've ever tasted.
Still, I'll start the bidding at £20 for four, bundled with one free roll of Cushelle. Delivery March/April.
Pays to think ahead, lads.
delivery March/April? I don't believe you have them ! They are stuck in Calais aren't they?
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In many cases, Dentists insist that patients that present with abcesses or other infections are treated with antibiotics, and the infection runs its course, before they operate.It's not 2 bad teeth though. It's asking a patient on life support to survive an op to remove a brain tumour whilst they're also having open heart surgery.
hilts
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Misery? Why would Brexit be a misery? Surely, we will prosper mightily on Australian terms? Ooh, perhaps we can divert the lorries queuing up at Dover to Australia? Anyone got a map?
I have no idea why it would be. Surprised you haven't come to that conclusion though. I did all those posts from a remainer point of view as stated. So are you being dishonest again? Me thinks you are:-)
hilts
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It's not 2 bad teeth though. It's asking a patient on life support to survive an op to remove a brain tumour whilst they're also having open heart surgery.
Sorry that's a really shit analogy unless you're expecting everyone in the UK to suffer. In fact 2 bad teeth means others are fine so mine pissed over yours I'm afraid.
Nice try though
bluethrunthru
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Kent Police have put Operation Stack in place...
Operation Stack is now being implemented between Junctions 8 and 11 of the M20 coastbound carriageway following the closures of the Port of Dover and Channel Tunnel. Keep following us and HighwaysSEAST for updates. @KentPolice
Got an FB message about an hour ago from my brother-in-law who drives and HGV. He has mates caught up in it and they are being told by the Police its best to ditch food they had stored to take into the EU - butties, pork pies and the like - because the EU aren't going to accept it.
So great - bottles of piss - plastic bags full of shit and bog roll and now rotting food on the verges in Kent - the " Shit Hole of England" - thankfully the folk of Kent knew what they were voting for.
meltonblue
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Turn that the other way round if you think brexit is going to be bad why delay it. Why go thru say 20 months of Covid shit then dump brexit on the end to lengthen the misery. If you have 2 bad teeth do you get the dentist to pull them both out or just one and come back and do it again?
Why as a leaver would I be against a 12 month plus delay? Considering that a day after the vote we have had 4 years of remainers trying to delay and hijack the whole thing, forgive me for being a tad cynical.
Because you don’t risk a fundamental change in your supply chain processes just before you’re wanting to do a mass rollout of a vaccine, particularly one not manufactured or supplied by yourself. You also don’t add uncertainty on to a period of economic uncertainty where forecasting can’t even be done a week ahead, let alone a year.
You’ve had four years of people on both sides looking to stifle progress unless it was only the progress they wanted and regardless of the means. If you’re viewing this primarily through the lens of the same and thinking that your main issue and thought is that delaying might put your version of brexit at risk, then you’re just as guilty as they are. You can try the nonsensical analogy route absolutely. Ignoring that though, it’s just rank hypocrisy.
PannickAtTheDisco
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Sorry that's a really shit analogy unless you're expecting everyone in the UK to suffer. In fact 2 bad teeth means others are fine so mine pissed over yours I'm afraid.
Nice try though
Everyone in the UK is already suffering, if you haven't noticed...
My analogy supercedes yours in every regard.
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Relative stability and then carnage doesn't make much sense. Ask yourself this how long does a vaccine normally take to produce and how long did the Covid one take?
No, it doesn’t, who said it did?
hilts
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I think you’re missing my point. I would only want a delay to allow time to facilitate a deal, because that’s clearly going to be less damaging than no deal.
Are they going to reach a moment of clarity in 2021 that they couldn't see from 2016 - 2020. We are close to some kind of decision. Why would you want these idiots to start it all over again.
We both know if you delay it a year we will still be posting in this bloody thread next December commenting on who is bluffing who .
hilts
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Everyone in the UK is already suffering, if you haven't noticed...
My analogy supercedes yours in every regard.
From brexit ? No they aint. Most haven't noticed any difference. If your talking about the virus then doh that wouldn't be eleviated from delaying brexit. Brexit is the second tooth. The first one is fucked and getting pulled as we speak.
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Are they going to reach a moment of clarity in 2021 that they couldn't see from 2016 - 2020. We are close to some kind of decision. Why would you want these idiots to start it all over again.
We both know if you delay it a year we will still be posting in this bloody thread next December commenting on who is bluffing who .
Yeah I don’t want them to delay to change the potential of them agreeing a deal. If they don’t do it now, they never will. I only want them to delay the implementation of it.
I’d much rather have a deal, but I’m resigned to it not happening under this current government.
Trade deals take a long time to negotiate historically. The reason this one has been so rushed is because of an arbitrary deadline set by Johnson. Anyway, an extension is hypothetical at best and besides, you’ve already said that you actively want a no deal Brexit so there’s probably little point in us even discussing this.Are they going to reach a moment of clarity in 2021 that they couldn't see from 2016 - 2020. We are close to some kind of decision. Why would you want these idiots to start it all over again.
We both know if you delay it a year we will still be posting in this bloody thread next December commenting on who is bluffing who .
hilts
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No, it doesn’t, who said it did?
If you are a remainer and I'm guessing you must be and you think brexit will be carnage why delay it till we are stable from the virus. What's the point. Economically we ain't going to be over the effects of the virus for years.
Never mind the drivers' lunch, what now happens to all the lorries with perishable goods? What about food from the EU? - if that's in an EU lorry will they still come here knowing they might get home, or if the food is brought here by a British truck it's not going to come if the lorry is stuck here and can't collect it. At least we can start into the Brexit stockpiles in warehouses - if we can find a truck to get it.Got an FB message about an hour ago from my brother-in-law who drives and HGV. He has mates caught up in it and they are being told by the Police its best to ditch food they had stored to take into the EU - butties, pork pies and the like - because the EU aren't going to accept it.
So great - bottles of piss - plastic bags full of shit and bog roll and now rotting food on the verges in Kent - the " Shit Hole of England" - thankfully the folk of Kent knew what they were voting for.
hilts
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Trade deals take a long time to negotiate historically. The reason this one has been so rushed is because of an arbitrary deadline set by Johnson. Anyway, an extension is hypothetical at best and besides, you’ve already said that you actively want a no deal Brexit so there’s probably little point in us even discussing this.
We will agree to disagree then but claiming Brexit has been rushed is a bit odd tbh. 4 years.
Like I said before world record time for a vaccine with Covid. Wonder Why?
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I always get this feeling there's been a slight hint of insecurity about the rush to get it done. Just in case people change their mind. Fear not, dear fellow. I wouldn't dare of taking your prize away from you. People have moved on from that, just as they might decide it not worth their while to take back a bone from a dog whose mood has progressed from 'cheekily unwilling to give up', past the 'determinedly holding on to it' stage, to 'outright threatening the safety of anyone in the vicinity if further attempts are made'.If you are a remainer and I'm guessing you must be and you think brexit will be carnage why delay it till we are stable from the virus. What's the point. Economically we ain't going to be over the effects of the virus for years.
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If you are a remainer and I'm guessing you must be and you think brexit will be carnage why delay it till we are stable from the virus. What's the point. Economically we ain't going to be over the effects of the virus for years.
Then you should read my post again then. I said implementing no deal in the middle of a pandemic will be carnage and replied to you the reasons why.
I’m not a “remainer”, no, I don’t even know what that term is supposed to mean anymore and think it should have stopped existing four years ago.
Again, I think you’ve misunderstood. I didn’t say Brexit has been rushed. I said this particular trade negotiation has been rushed imo. That’s not the same thing.We will agree to disagree then but claiming Brexit has been rushed is a bit odd tbh. 4 years.
Like I said before world record time for a vaccine with Covid. Wonder Why?
bluethrunthru
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Relative stability and then carnage doesn't make much sense. Ask yourself this how long does a vaccine normally take to produce and how long did the Covid one take?
Normally is disingenuous - progress in medical science traditionally is hamstrung by lack of funding - think of how cancer research and heart disease research in the UK is almost totally funded by charitable donation.
Covid shut a lot of that research down - see the regular ad's you get on TV asking for donations to make up for the shortfalls.
So - the vaccine - the best analysis I have heard is imagine that you ask a scientist to knit a 100m long scarf and one scientist can do 1m a day. Target is the usual 100 days.
Now imagine you have enough money thrown at the problem and the fix is the vaccine represented by the 100m long scarf. The outbreak has freed up lab space and enough scientists to do the work and 100 of them can do 1m a day hence you do 100 days verification in 1 day hence the speed the vaccine is available.
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