Another new Brexit thread

[hilts]

In the circumstances, to not extend by a few week, if required, would be absolute insanity.

Weeks possibly but these deadlines are becoming somewhat of a farce tbh mate. Remember any deal struck, signed sealed and delivered could have a clause in it to deal with January for instance anyhow.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Weeks possibly but these deadlines are becoming somewhat of a farce tbh mate. Remember any deal struck, signed sealed and delivered could have a clause in it to deal with January for instance anyhow.

It should, but it hasn’t.

 

[stonerblue]

Hold on there.

The cross-channel frontier is closed to accompanied freight. Most of our freight is not accompanied. What they are doing is stopping drivers, not stopping freight.

The majority of our freight comes in via container ships, not via cross channel ferries or the tunnel. A single container vessel with 500 containers on board is the equivalent of a two mile tailback of container lorries.

This is by no means to suggest that everything in the garden is rosy. But there is no need to start stockpiling food, for instance.

No doubt the zealots and headbangers will say “what’s the problem, then,” and as I say there plainly is a problem. But it’s a 5 on the scale of HMG fuck ups, not a 9.

How do they get the un-accompanied trailers onto the ships? Surely the trucks delivering the containers to ports will be stuck in the jams along with the accompanied trucks?

 

[hilts]

Forget teeth. If I've got to have both legs broken, I'd rather have one at a time and manage on crutches than both at once and be in a wheelchair.

You'd have wanted D day in 1942 (specially for those still stuck in WW2 mode). But there are umpteen analogies to illustrate "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts": like a hole. Would you rather be in a six foot hole, get out and fall in another, or be in one twelve foot deep?

From remainers point of view you ain’t getting out of the first hole. Economically the virus will mean we are in that hole for a long time.

 

[Chris in London]

How do they get the un-accompanied trailers onto the ships? Surely the trucks delivering the containers to ports will be stuck in the jams along with the accompanied trucks?

Usually they come from different ports eg Rotterdam does far more bulk exporting/importing, Zeebrugge does mostly roll on/roll off stuff.

Plus, Lots of bulk freight is moved by rail.

 

[hilts]

Normally is disingenuous - progress in medical science traditionally is hamstrung by lack of funding - think of how cancer research and heart disease research in the UK is almost totally funded by charitable donation.
Covid shut a lot of that research down - see the regular ad's you get on TV asking for donations to make up for the shortfalls.
So - the vaccine - the best analysis I have heard is imagine that you ask a scientist to knit a 100m long scarf and one scientist can do 1m a day. Target is the usual 100 days.
Now imagine you have enough money thrown at the problem and the fix is the vaccine represented by the 100m long scarf. The outbreak has freed up lab space and enough scientists to do the work and 100 of them can do 1m a day hence you do 100 days verification in 1 day hence the speed the vaccine is available.

Unknowingly you have made my point for me. If the will is there, if you are on a cliff edge it’s amazing how normally plodding processes can be sped up and things that normally take forever suddenly don’t.

We are in this situation because both sides have been fucking about. It shouldn’t have taken this long. So all those playing games or trying to prevent the process from happening at all well done.

 

[hilts]

Brexit and Covid are not like having fucking teeth pulled where you go "ow" and get on with your day. The country is on life support and it's being plunged into a critical operation of trying to resolve life out of the EU, probably with fuck all to show for it due to a no-deal Brexit. You're asking the country to take another hammer blow when it's already on its knees.

Think you’re taking an analogy a little too seriously there mate:-)

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

The Tories act in self interest and self preservation over anything else.

They’re desperate to hang on to power no matter what.

They’re the only party that does this and will bend themselves into whatever shape they think to stay in power.

Wether that’s conservatism, liberalism, nationalism etc. They don’t care, name it and they’ll do it to stay in power.

It wasn’t always this way, whatever people think of her Thatcher would at least stick to her guns no matter what people thought.

Johnson is the worst of the lot, he’s a political chameleon. London Mayorship? He’ll go liberal and progressive, pro EU. Wants the Brexit vote? He’ll try and channel a weird version of Churchill to get there.

No integrity, no accountability, no proper planning, no fucking hope.

well he's going to have to get a deal in the next week with the EU guns to his head or they're out next time around, once the public have started experiencing what it will be like through this stunt it will shift consensus. This is a taste and a very real threat and only a minority will still be steadfast in the face of this.

 

[blueish swede]

In the circumstances, to not extend by a few week, if required, would be absolute insanity.

I thought the deadline for requesting an extension was July 1st.

 

[mcfc1632]

No. It has demonstrated to many of those that didn’t believe it that the EU has always had the upper hand. They already knew they did as did our government but the government was relying on keeping enough people in the dark for long enough to deliver the shit deal that they will be forced to accept. A deal that would be sold as a great victory because we would probably have got another small concession on fish. Reality has struck a little early and has screwed the plan.

I doubt you could find a single post from a single poster that states that the UK had/has the upper hand in these negotiations - clearly the EU has been in the stronger position

Some of us though do not feel the need to belittle the UK and wish for harm for the UK just so they can feel all self-satisfied by convincing themselves that they have scored some sort of point on a football forum

 

[bluethrunthru]

where are the gun boats deployed in the channel forcing the French to open Calais??

 

[Ban-jani]

well he's going to have to get a deal in the next week with the EU guns to his head or they're out next time around, once the public have started experiencing what it will be like through this stunt it will shift consensus. This is a taste and a very real threat and only a minority will still be steadfast in the face of this.

He needs to extend the transition for 3 months to get a deal sorted.

I get the fish and sovereignty thing, I actually do, they’re our waters and the EU shouldn’t have a right to use them.

That said, we’re in a precarious position here and we’re staring down the barrel of empty shelves in the supermarkets, thousands of job losses and businesses going bust.

We could have probably dealt with it without Covid but we’re in a financial hole now, even without Brexit.

The double whammy will hit the poorest and hit them hard. Not just the poor, the middle classes will lose business too.

A compromise is needed and if that compromise is a bit extra fishing area for the EU, just get it done and save people’s livelihoods.

 

[Vic]

Aaargh, jargon!

Yes, it's not a surprise that the supermarkets spotted that the end of the year might be a bit awkward!

And no surprise that we're engulfed in a second wave just as we are leaving the EU with no deal.

Parliament Liaison committee warned about it, Scottish government warned about it (even with a deal).

Coronavirus (COVID-19): the case for extending the Brexit transition period

Scottish Government paper which sets out why it is vital, if we are to ensure the most rapid recovery possible from the COVID-19 crisis, that the UK Government immediately seeks an extension to the Brexit transition period for two years.

www.gov.scot

Good grief, even I warned about it.

(June)
The queues and the shortages won't be blamed on Covid. Not unless they're planning a herd immunity second wave for January.

At least one crazy guy here thinks it's like having two teeth pulled at once, and there seem to be more than a few who will be happy for the combined damage to be so bad that it won't be easy to distinguish the Covid damage from the Brexit damage.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I thought the deadline for requesting an extension was July 1st.

Where there's a will.

 

[hilts]

And no surprise that we're engulfed in a second wave just as we are leaving the EU with no deal.

Parliament Liaison committee warned about it, Scottish government warned about it (even with a deal).

Coronavirus (COVID-19): the case for extending the Brexit transition period

Scottish Government paper which sets out why it is vital, if we are to ensure the most rapid recovery possible from the COVID-19 crisis, that the UK Government immediately seeks an extension to the Brexit transition period for two years.

www.gov.scot

Good grief, even I warned about it.




At least one crazy guy here thinks it's like having two teeth pulled at once, and there seem to be more than a few who will be happy for the combined damage to be so bad that it won't be easy to distinguish the Covid damage from the Brexit damage.

No I believe some nutter compared it to falling in a hole, ooohhhh a hole pmsl.

 

[Vic]

Usually they come from different ports eg Rotterdam does far more bulk exporting/importing, Zeebrugge does mostly roll on/roll off stuff.

Plus, Lots of bulk freight is moved by rail.

Not across the Channel or the North Sea. Oh I see what you mean.

Usually they come from different ports eg Rotterdam does far more bulk exporting/importing, Zeebrugge does mostly roll on/roll off stuff.

Plus, Lots of bulk freight is moved by rail.

Pity about the shortage of containers.

 

[Vic]

well he's going to have to get a deal in the next week with the EU guns to his head or they're out next time around, once the public have started experiencing what it will be like through this stunt it will shift consensus. This is a taste and a very real threat and only a minority will still be steadfast in the face of this.

They must all be on here.

 

[Vic]

Ever consider taking a day of from posting nonsense and falsehoods?

I doubt you could find a single post from a single poster that states that the UK had/has the upper hand in these negotiations - clearly the EU has been in the stronger position

Some of us though do not feel the need to belittle the UK and wish for harm for the UK just so they can feel all self-satisfied by convincing themselves that they have scored some sort of point on a football forum

It's deja vu all over again. From the guy whose idea of "the upper hand" is for the UK to threaten self harm.

 

[Vic]

No I believe some nutter compared it to falling in a hole, ooohhhh a hole pmsl.

Fight daftness with daftness is my motto.

 

[hilts]

Fight daftness with daftness is my motto.

Then bravo sir, bravo:-)