Another new Brexit thread

[bluethrunthru]

Trouble brewing.
Nige predicting a sell out!
LOL
Gammons freaking out.

If Johnson had got everything with knobs on the frog faced **** would have found fault thats all he does.

 

[blueparrot]

Independent quoting a French source

Maybe it was the ghost of Christmases to come they saw in Kent the last two days.

 

[journolud]

Happy remainer? Get out of here you wum:-)

Well, it’s all relative

 

[Len Rum]

Thats wonderful news if it is true. I expect both sides will have moved to get an agreement which is what a successful negotiation is about. Neither side feels like they have been shafted. Lets see the detail but fair play to Frost/Johnson and VDL/Bernier if its true.

Hang on mate.
Thought no deal was better than a bad deal.
And off we go depending which side you dress on.

 

[hilts]

Odds if a deal has been done

Both sides are pissed off with it - 5/1
Both sides pretend they are happy with it - evens
One is happy one isn't - 20/1


Both sides don’t believe a word the other lot say - 1/1000 on

 

[Len Rum]

Odds if a deal has been done

Both sides are pissed off with it - 5/1
Both sides pretend they are happy with it - evens
One is happy one isn't - 20/1


Both sides don’t believe a word the other lot say - 1/1000 on

Nah.
EU are under strict instructions not to claim they got a 'good deal'.
Praise Johnson ( but don't go overboard like they did with Mavis).

 

[hilts]

Nah.
EU are under strict instructions not to claim they got a 'good deal'.
Praise Johnson ( but don't go overboard like they did with Mavis).

As I’m not sure there is even a leaver on here who believes anything Boris or the EU say PR won’t work. The remainers will obviously go full on EU victory this is pretty clear.

 

[hilts]

Independent quoting a French source

It’s not the week to believe French honesty tbf.

 

[mcfc1632]

If Johnson had got everything with knobs on the frog faced **** would have found fault thats all he does.

Don't always agree with you, but...... spot on - the guy is just seeking to remain relevant

 

[hilts]

I believe if a deal happens then the headline points are only going to be a very small part of it. The details are important and also what this government do with it. They may be patting themselves on the back thinking they have delivered but they are almost certainly incorrect.

They could be losing a lot of support and the large majority disappear but it’s hard to see who ultimately can gain from it.

 

[mcfc1632]

Hang on mate.
Thought no deal was better than a bad deal.
And off we go depending which side you dress on.

If we have left without the inappropriate ties to EU regulations that the EU had secured a couple of years ago and we can make our own policy choices - then it is a good deal - indeed a good deal better than I thought was remotely possible until 12 months ago

 

[Len Rum]

As I’m not sure there is even a leaver on here who believes anything Boris or the EU say PR won’t work. The remainers will obviously go full on EU victory this is pretty clear.

All about the ERG
The ERG
No bother.

 

[mcfc1632]

As I’m not sure there is even a leaver on here who believes anything Boris or the EU say PR won’t work. The remainers will obviously go full on EU victory this is pretty clear.

Nah - I am sure that the Remainers will move on and together we ensure that we are all behind the UK making the best progress from this point

 

[Len Rum]

If we have left without the inappropriate ties to EU regulations that the EU had secured a couple of years ago and we can make our own policy choices - then it is a good deal - indeed a good deal better than I thought was remotely possible until 12 months ago

Ha Ha.
Setting your own very low bar and comfort blanket of doing better than Mavis 's deal so that you're not ultimately disappointed.

 

[hilts]

All about the ERG
The ERG
No bother.

What’s all about the ERG?

 

[mcfc1632]

All about the ERG
The ERG
No bother.

Why?

 

[Len Rum]

What’s all about the ERG?

How the deal is perceived by them and whether the question of Europe rumbles on in the Tory party for the next decade.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I believe if a deal happens then the headline points are only going to be a very small part of it. The details are important and also what this government do with it. They may be patting themselves on the back thinking they have delivered but they are almost certainly incorrect.

They could be losing a lot of support and the large majority disappear but it’s hard to see who ultimately can gain from it.

I agree thats why I posted he could be about to piss of the various "RG's" - all are Conservative MP's some MP's sit on more than one group but he runs the risk of pissing them all off.

Then you have got the Colonel Hurton-Tuftons of the home counties to the sons of ex-miners in Yorkshire who voted Brexit but the issue will be what it always was - what TYPE of Brexit was their hope and vision? There is already polling evidence that in the New Blue Wall seats support has tumbled.

I think thats why the odds are he delivers Brexit and then quits...............classic Johnson, never hanging round to face up to the effects of what he has done. I don't think history and Britons will be kind this time though. He has been to the well once too often.

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[hilts]

How the deal is perceived by them and whether the question of Europe rumbles on in the Tory party for the next decade.

It will be interesting to see if the majority of the ERG accept whatever this deal is, I think more might accept it than you think but it’s only a guess.

You have to remember how it all came about, ERG making a fuss or a UKIP Mark II won’t make them go through this again. They took a gamble on winning the ref just to put a stop to them. It failed miserably. They wont go down that path again.

I’m more interested in how the Labour Party handles it. They will feel obliged to pull it apart as they are in opposition but it puts them in a tricky spot. Maybe both parties will just try and move past it. Who knows.