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Not bothered with this thread. All choreographed to make it last minute, victories for all and no scrutiny.
The fact that the news of a deal pulled out of the hat has hardly registered on the markets shows you how much the British and European public are being played for mugs..
 
west didsblue said:
Sums it up.

In other words we just go along with the rules without the mither of having a say in them.
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What rules. Rules about trade regulations? What regulations would we not entrust that we would not agree to?

Unless you mean those other rules such as how much each member pays into the club, how much they should contribute to the upcoming EDF, which national laws must become secondary to the authority of the EU Parliament? Thankfully, they can sort that political mess amongst themselves.

We're no longer going to be enabling them. We had a say, and it was often ignored. That is what has led to today.
 
blue cigar said:
Seems. pretty obvious we've conceded on almost everything to "get Brexit done", the great Tory legacy....
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Tbh people who hate brexit and hate Boris will just slag off any outcome. The fact is he's delivered on his promise and we are out. It was always going to be a compromise as I think many of us have been saying for some time in this thread. Now we can all move on. Blame the bad things on Covid and any economic good news as being 'because of brexit'. Hopefully Remainers will now become rejoiners and learn from the failings of the pro-EU argument four and a half years ago.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
What rules. Rules about trade regulations? What regulations would we not entrust that we would not agree to?

Unless you mean those other rules such as how much each member pays into the club, how much they should contribute to the upcoming EDF, which national laws must become secondary to the authority of the EU Parliament? Thankfully, they can sort that political mess amongst themselves.

We're no longer going to be enabling them. We had a say, and it was often ignored. That is what has led to today.
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Yep. Rules about trade and the LPF which includes product standards, environmental rules and workers rights.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Tbh people who hate brexit and hate Boris will just slag off any outcome. The fact is he's delivered on his promise and we are out. It was always going to be a compromise as I think many of us have been saying for some time in this thread. Now we can all move on. Blame the bad things on Covid and any economic good news as being 'because of brexit'. Hopefully Remainers will now become rejoiners and learn from the failings of the pro-EU argument four and a half years ago.
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If the result had been wholly obvious in support of leaving arond the 70-75%+ mark, then a deal like this would have attracted criticism. This deal, if it does come through, is one for the compromisers; those who accepted we had to leave the EU despite wanting to remain and those of us who wanted to leave but had to retain a certain level of association.

The hard outs and the hard ins are the only ones who'll be dissapointed, and who cares what those crack pots have to complain about.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Tbh people who hate brexit and hate Boris will just slag off any outcome. The fact is he's delivered on his promise and we are out. It was always going to be a compromise as I think many of us have been saying for some time in this thread. Now we can all move on. Blame the bad things on Covid and any economic good news as being 'because of brexit'. Hopefully Remainers will now become rejoiners and learn from the failings of the pro-EU argument four and a half years ago.
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What was his promise? Was it the promises of the leave campaign or the more recent ‘oven ready deal’?

Legally we were ‘out‘ eleven months ago. Economically, you really think we are ‘out’? You think a 2,000 page document is a long winded way of saying ‘So long, and thanks for all the fish?’
 
blue cigar said:
Seems. pretty obvious we've conceded on almost everything to "get Brexit done", the great Tory legacy....
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What? Are you just making this up, we appear to have tariff free SM access, and are out of the CU and ECJ, if what's being said occurs. Every remainer and his dog has been saying there'd be no chance of this happening, yet it looks
like it will, if it does, what you say is nonsense.
If none of this happens, and we remain in the Single Market and Customs union, and the ECJ has oversight of the UK, you may have a point.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Tbh people who hate brexit and hate Boris will just slag off any outcome. The fact is he's delivered on his promise and we are out. It was always going to be a compromise as I think many of us have been saying for some time in this thread. Now we can all move on. Blame the bad things on Covid and any economic good news as being 'because of brexit'. Hopefully Remainers will now become rejoiners and learn from the failings of the pro-EU argument four and a half years ago.
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I’m quite happy about the outcome. It’s the best we could have hoped for given the shit position we put ourselves in. That it appears that Johnson has had to concede all his red lines on fish and LPF suggests it might not be too bad.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
What? Are you just making this up, we appear to have tariff free SM access, and are out of the CU and ECJ, if what's being said occurs. Every remainer and his dog has been saying there'd be no chance of this happening, yet it looks
like it will, if it does, what you say is nonsense.
If none of this happens, and we remain in the Single Market and Customs union, and the ECJ has oversight of the UK, you may have a point.
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Apparently, it's not what Farage and Gove promised the people.

Since I didn't take a blind bit of notice what Gove and Farage spouted, i'll have to take their word for it.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
It's looking good to me, so far. Despite everything we've heard saying there would be no chance of the EU allowing single market access, it looks like we have it plus no ECJ oversight, something else dismissed incessantly.
Fishing appears to be agreed on 25% phased over 5 years, which apparently leaves the UK with two thirds in 2026, I'll live with that, compared to what we
have now, if all this pans out, that's Brexit done.

How do you come to that conclusion, over 50 independent deals are already done, more in the pipeline due, what's stopping that? Where's the vassalage?
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Let’s see when the EU want to change their rules to continue access to the LPF. We can’t help make the rules, just follow what they say.
 
west didsblue said:
Yep. Rules about trade and the LPF which includes product standards, environmental rules and workers rights.
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Which we won't disagree with, so I fail to see the issue.

You don't expect the EU to create regulations on standards that we in the UK would need to disagree with, do you? I'm sure the Canadians and Japanese, for example, have that same level of trust.

It's their trade union, so it's their standards.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Apparently, it's not what Farage and Gove promised the people.

Since I didn't take a blind bit of notice what Gove and Farage spouted, i'll have to take their word for it.
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I'm trying to figure out what those two would have a problem with, why they have, and what it is. The only thing I see as a (very minor) gripe is the fishing agreement, but even this is far better than before, everything else appears honky thingy.
Of course all we're hearing could be complete bollocks, in which case the current govt. will be ousted in the next election.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Apparently, it's not what Farage and Gove promised the people.

Since I didn't take a blind bit of notice what Gove and Farage spouted, i'll have to take their word for it.
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Is the the same farage that led a brexit party to zero seats in the last election while Boris walked it!
Stop, let’s change narrative from Boris being elected on the basis of getting a deal (which he now has) to farage again.
The remainers may well shout the loudest, but the electorate have now twice spoken and it looks like Boris May have delivered for the majority of them
Why on earth the remainers are now disappointed on behalf of farage I’m not sure.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Let’s see when the EU want to change their rules to continue access to the LPF. We can’t help make the rules, just follow what they say.
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Why, as an independent country, would we accept their changing rules that benefit them? If independent arbitration has been agreed, that's where anything like this goes, and it looks like we have helped make the rules, if there has been a deal agreed.
 
Tb1981 said:
Is the the same farage that led a brexit party to zero seats in the last election while Boris walked it!
Stop, let’s change narrative from Boris being elected on the basis of getting a deal (which he now has) to farage again.
The remainers may well shout the loudest, but the electorate have now twice spoken and it looks like Boris May have delivered for the majority of them
Why on earth the remainers are now disappointed on behalf of farage I’m not sure.
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That is baffling, isn't it.

I've heard more from people championing Farage's complaints from the remain side on this thread than ever from "disgruntled" leavers that might happen to agree with him.

I've genuinely never seen the "Farage said this would happen and it hasn't so now i'm mad!" argument ever being uttered on here.
 
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