“The work of God”?

[tonea2003]

How can I prove an infinite being outside of space and time?

There is evidence and it’s eyewitnesses at the resurrection.

so the evidence of 4 books written by people we don't who wrote them at least many decades later(so couldn't of been there or alive for that matter) and they all differ
c'mon you have to do better than that

 

[Two Gun Bob]

You mean boxing day tea right?

No mate, we have dinner in the hills and we stopped calling it tea when we moved from Manchester. They are just a bit different up here, so we try to fit in as it makes for an easier life. Fifty five years since I was taken and they still don't class me as a local. Don't make any plans my love, I have a restaurant booked for us tea?

 

[tonea2003]

I cannot know for absolute certainty where anyone is but we know how Hitler behaved in his last moments and what he did.

yes he committed suicide...and?

 

[trumpton]

Why do I want saving? I haven't killed anyone or shagged my neighbours wife.

Glad to hear it.

I live next door!

 

[Two Gun Bob]

As a lad i would always leave my mash til last. Then i would spread it out into a flat rectangle before lightly marking out a grid of squares on it with my knife. I would then cut and eat each 'pellet' individually.

I used to flatten the edges out and then make a mountain range with the rest. Then I would cut out an alpine stream for the Bisto to run through : ? I don't normally cook, so those frozen mash pellets were a life saver. Tip them in a bowl, add butter and then microwave for a few minutes et voila ..creamy mash as good as the real thing. In fact it is the real thing but just frozen into a pellet format, that smash powdered stuff makes me heave. All the mitchelin gaffs will use pellets but never admit to it

 

[Ban-jani]

yes he committed suicide...and?

He wasn’t exactly displaying signs of being sorry, in fact one of the last things he did was blame the German people for the failings of his leadership.

I think he’s someone we can nearly be certain of saying is in hell.

 

[Ban-jani]

so the evidence of 4 books written by people we don't who wrote them at least many decades later(so couldn't of been there or alive for that matter) and they all differ
c'mon you have to do better than that

They all only slightly differ but if they were exactly the same, you would say that they’re just copying one another.

The fact they aren’t exactly the same gives it more credibility.

 

[tonea2003]

He wasn’t exactly displaying signs of being sorry, in fact one of the last things he did was blame the German people for the failings of his leadership.

I think he’s someone we can nearly be certain of saying is in hell.

why can we be nearly certain
he was an evil despot who took the shithouse way out of not facing judge and jury and ultimately his execution

 

[I'm With Stupid]

He wasn’t exactly displaying signs of being sorry, in fact one of the last things he did was blame the German people for the failings of his leadership.

I think he’s someone we can nearly be certain of saying is in hell.

In order to say that, you'd also have to be nearly certain that hell exists. That's a bold claim.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

This was written 1000 years before Christ was born:

This is an interesting one. Do you consider that a prediction of Jesus, or an inspiration for him? If the book of Isiah was written long before Jesus' birth, then there's presumably a very high chance that it would be taught in the temples we are told he regularly attended. And I know if I was a religiously-educated Jew and I was going to try and claim to be the son of God to the rest of that community, I would probably lean quite heavily on past prophesies and existing traditions.

 

[tonea2003]

They all only slightly differ but if they were exactly the same, you would say that they’re just copying one another.

The fact they aren’t exactly the same gives it more credibility.

not it does not, for instance they don't even agree on the day of crucifixion mark and john don't even agree on the day(matthews and lukes are just embelished from mark)
that is a crucial disagreement for such an important event
they all differ in how jesus was at the time of his death, in pain(mark) special effects kicking off everywhere(matthew) calm(luke) and bullish giving it large(john) no credibility at all

and that's just that supposed event

 

[journolud]

Glad to hear it.

I live next door!

He might have been referring to the neighbour on the other side...

 

[Ban-jani]

not it does not, for instance they don't even agree on the day of crucifixion mark and john don't even agree on the day(matthews and lukes are just embelished from mark)
that is a crucial disagreement for such an important event
they all differ in how jesus was at the time of his death, in pain(mark) special effects kicking off everywhere(matthew) calm(luke) and bullish giving it large(john) no credibility at all

and that's just that supposed event

They’ve taken eye witness accounts of the same event, you usually get slightly differing views on it and some may remember aspects that others haven’t.

The key thing is, many different people have the crucifixion and resurrection.

 

[Ban-jani]

This is an interesting one. Do you consider that a prediction of Jesus, or an inspiration for him? If the book of Isiah was written long before Jesus' birth, then there's presumably a very high chance that it would be taught in the temples we are told he regularly attended. And I know if I was a religiously-educated Jew and I was going to try and claim to be the son of God to the rest of that community, I would probably lean quite heavily on past prophesies and existing traditions.

For Christ to answer the Old Testament prophecy, he’d have to knowingly go to his death.

Why would he do that?

 

[tonea2003]

They’ve taken eye witness accounts of the same event, you usually get slightly differing views on it and some may remember aspects that others haven’t.

The key thing is, many different people have the crucifixion and resurrection.

who are the eyewitnesses? certainly not the authors who weren't even alive when these events supposedly took place

and no contemporary writers of the time roman or jewish ever mention these dramatic events, rather curious don't you think?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

For Christ to answer the Old Testament prophecy, he’d have to knowingly go to his death.

Why would he do that?

Why wouldn't he do that? You only have to look at every terrorist incident to see how many people are willing to martyr themselves. But which part of the Old Testament specifically predicts Christ's crucifixion?

 

[BlueTG]

So - “no one comes to the Father but through me”

Sounds a bit cultish. Not quite Scouse but cultish nonetheless. And arrogant too unless you agree other
beliefs are wrong, or other "Fathers" exist.

I work in a Church of England school, though not of faith myself.

I respect other people have their views and I teach openly of that.

However, in one of the prayers that are said daily one of the lines is “we are not worthy”. What an odd notion to pass down when you spend the rest of your life justifying to people why they are worthy being the person they are. I don’t get onboard with it.

 

[Ban-jani]

who are the eyewitnesses? certainly not the authors who weren't even alive when these events supposedly took place

and no contemporary writers of the time roman or jewish ever mention these dramatic events, rather curious don't you think?

Neither of those statements is true.

They’ve found a copy of the book of Acts (Luke part 2) dated to around 60AD.

If Luke was written before Acts, we can accurately predict it was at least in the 50’s AD, then Matthew and Mark written before then, with Mark considered the earliest, which could have been in the 30’s AD or 40’s. Christ was crucified between 28 AD and 33 AD.

This means the majority of the Gospels were written when St Peter, who was Christ’s closest disciple, was still alive and the authors were almost definitely alive.

St Paul was alive when Christ was crucified and he’s an author within the New Testament.

On your latter point, scholars who are maximalist (which means they believe the story to be accurate in terms of claims of divinity and crucifixion), are now in the majority because they’ve found a Roman letter describing Christians as followers of a man called Jesus, crucified for blasphemy.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

The only convicted paedo I knew was an active Boys Brigade officer in my local Methodist church.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Neither of those statements is true.

They’ve found a copy of the book of Acts (Luke part 2) dated to around 60AD.

If Luke was written before Acts, we can accurately predict it was at least in the 50’s AD, then Matthew and Mark written before then, with Mark considered the earliest, which could have been in the 30’s AD or 40’s. Christ was crucified between 28 AD and 33 AD.

This means the majority of the Gospels were written when St Peter, who was Christ’s closest disciple, was still alive and the authors were almost definitely alive.

St Paul was alive when Christ was crucified and he’s an author within the New Testament.

On your latter point, scholars who are maximalist (which means they believe the story to be accurate in terms of claims of divinity and crucifixion), are now in the majority because they’ve found a Roman letter describing Christians as followers of a man called Jesus, crucified for blasphemy.

Please could you provide any evidence for the authorship of any of the 4 official gospels.