I’ve just posted them to SWP mate.As an atheist, i would love you to explain to me what all these "attachments", assumptions, and the like that i have without realizing.
You’ve got a very warped view of the Bible, one filled with a lot of hate and resentment.The truth is the truth. It's that simple. The world 8s 4.5billion years old. People have never lived to be 800. The Ark never happened. Nobody comes back from the dead. Can walk in water, raise the dead. Zombies did not leave their g4aves as Jesus die and walk about. L8tts wife wasn't turned into a pillar if salt. Angels weren't going to get raped until the gut offered up his own daughters. Mises never existed. The Egypt plagues never happened. The sea did not part. I could go on throughout the book. A guy didnt live inside a giant fish.
If anybody claims any of thst shit is real, they are deluding themselves. How can a book be true when it's filled with nonsense any God worth his salt woukd know. Gay people? A God creates them so they can be persecuted? Women are inferior and possessions? It's all made up, a great story and made many great films, but so is Jason and the Argonuats. And all the Greek and Roman classicaltales. written by men.
Unlike you, I was force fed this utter shite and believed most of it, until my critical faculties kicked in. This caused me a shit storm of grief at school and at home. To my mother's dying day she hoped I would return to Faith. But when you realise it's all too contradictory, scientifically baseless and at times hateful and awful, you can't go back. You don't want to. It's a weight off.
No, it isn’t Ban. You know me well enough on here and in person to know full well that I know the difference between the two and that I wouldn’t confuse them.Being an agnostic is actually what you describe, in that it’s a lack of belief.
You do know that adding “obviously” to a post doesn’t mean that said conclusion is either correct nor obvious?I’ve just posted them to SWP mate.
It’s not an attack against atheists and atheism, it’s just that if you don’t believe in a higher power, you place moral standard on your own shoulders, which is a Philosophical stance and you believe that the universe came into existence, in a random event, not designed, which is obviously a scientific view.
Probably because he’s read the whole thing, unlike you.You’ve got a very warped view of the Bible, one filled with a lot of hate and resentment.
I’m absolutely certain you know the difference between being an agnostic vs an atheist, I’m not suggesting you don’t.No, it isn’t Ban. You know me well enough on here and in person to know full well that I know the difference between the two and that I wouldn’t confuse them.
If he did exist and despise Paedophiles why are they so many in the Church.Bingo.
“for those that cause the little ones to sin, it would be better for them to have a milestone tied to their neck and dropped out at sea, than having to deal with me” - Jesus Christ.
He despises paedophiles.
Eye for an eye Jesus actually taught against that concept but that’s a side point.You do know that adding “obviously” to a post doesn’t mean that said conclusion is either correct nor obvious?
And I’ve already explained that there is no “moral standard” to which humans live by. Christians pick and choose whichever morals they wish to adhere to based upon their own choices. The Bible is an anthology of disparate stories that can mean “an eye for an eye” or “turn the other cheek”. It can mean “thou shall not kill” or tell you (one) exactly how someone should be killed for specific crime. It’s why we get Christians for the death penalty and atheists against it and vice versa. There is no resounding moralistic view to theism any more than there is an atheist moralistic worldview.
Ban appears to be engaging the nay-seers and treading water nicely considering his short tenure as a Born Again Christian. Maybe that's because he's well read and educated on the nuances of hearty debate, being an affiliate paid up member of our political forum. So why does he continue to debate with folk who think his stance is reprehensible to any or all modern day thinking, when he could simply go and read a nice book or go for a walk enjoying his new found religion to himself without fear of hindrance. And then it got me thinking about Hitchens and how he was so convinced there wasn't a god that it became a major preoccupation of his to fight theocracy head on instead of reading a nice book or going for a walk.
Actually here is Christopher answering that very point eloquently enough from an audience member. Why do we all bother to argue the toss when we have entrenched our battle lines unto sand. Is it in the forlorn hope of changing a given mindset, or it it just to pacify ourselves because we believe so strongly in our own divine right-eousness. Who is right and who is wrong and the only way to find out is by the continuance of hearty debate, except the Christians are lacking in the manpower dept at the moment to field a full side. All that may change when vmshail wakes up.
Humans have free will and with free will there is consequences. If Christ intervened with sex offenders in the church then the free will is removed. They will be dealt with though, make no mistake about that.If he did exist and despise Paedophiles why are they so many in the Church.
My dog has no religious beliefs nor is he well on quantum theory. I don’t have to (note ‘have to’, although I do) believe in any scientific theory to not believe in a Christian god.On the “obviously” point, I mean, it is obvious, if you don’t believe in a creator then your scientific view on how the universe came to be is actually something.
Humans have free will and with free will there is consequences. If Christ intervened with sex offenders in the church then the free will is removed. They will be dealt with though, make no mistake about that.
Paedophiles join the church as it’s a job that puts them in contact with their victims.
Not a Christian God, no but if you’re an atheist you don’t believe in any God and therefore the beginning of the universe, in your view, takes a direction of an uncontrolled event.My dog has no religious beliefs nor is he well on quantum theory. I don’t have to (note ‘have to’, although I do) believe in any scientific theory to not believe in a Christian god.
like start to believe in made up fairies in the sky?
Evil exists because of free will.why allow all this suffering, it makes absolute no sense, that is just plain evil
You think being a Christian is “horrific”?like start to believe in made up fairies in the sky?
Yet, when/if we get to heaven we'll have none?Evil exists because of free will.
The world is better for us having free will than all of us being robots without choice.
You still do, you just won’t be tempted to sin.Yet, when/if we get to heaven we'll have none?