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mackenzie said:
What happened to the Nightingale hospitals?
Lack of staff I think, but wasn't that always going to be the case?
Not saying it's fact, just surmising.
Someone, somewhere, massively fucked up on this one if that was the case
Still, nice images
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The Nightingales seem like an expensive publicity stunt. My understanding from family members in the NHS is that they were supposed to be used for routine patients to prevent them being exposed to Covid but that never happened for staffing reasons. It seems an incredible blunder when you consider that at least 25 per cent of Covid infections have started in hospitals because it has not been possible to isolate patients with more routine illnesses.
It confirms my view (and that of most of my family who are doctors and nurses) that management of the NHS is a total shambles (and always has been). Most of the staff are excellent but they are "lions led by donkeys."
 
BlueAnorak said:
Margaret Keenan, the ist lady to have her jab 3 weeks ago has had her 2nd jab.
So in 7 days time she will be 95% immune rather than 91%.
One has to ask if that is the correct strategy rather than getting as many vaccinated with one dose as possible? And yes I know that is the approval granted but shouldn't the brains trust think about changing the strategy based on the current problems where we need to double the planned vaccination rate.
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Are those 91% and 95% figures true? ( Source?)
Serious question - because if they are, wtf are we playing around at?
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Do we know what percentage of tests carried out were positive? This would surely be the best indicator of how bad things are at present. The volume of daily tests must be critical for context.
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Yes, see above.

They have only just posted the tests.

They considered it so important they have not updated the number in nearly a week.

Other nations did. England did not until just now.

Christmas has been more important than truth or lives and that will be what people remember of December 2020.
 
Healdplace said:
Not yet updated in detail but over Christmas England hospital patients rose from 18, 227 to 20, 426. Now higher than the Wave One peak in early April.

As so many of us have said in here for about 2 weeks now we NEED a national lockdown. Why is it taking so long for this to happen? Every day is hundreds of deaths and fewer hospital beds and likely an extra week we will need to be locked down for to row back the escalation caused by the delay.

Nothing about this makes any sense.

Yet whilst the virus accelerates to the timetable of a space rocket we prevaricate at the speed of a snail.
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Because the politicians are having their Xmas break and can’t be arsed dealing with it until tomorrow.
 
Healdplace said:
351, 140 pillar 1 and 2. Not that many.

That is about 15% positive.

Starting to get way out of control.

Where is the press conference?

You would think this was of no consequence but hundreds of this 53,000 will die. Even if under 1% do.

Sorry but it is criminally negligent to even waste another day when it is clear action was needed weeks ago and certainly not as and when they get round to it.

Every day we do not act we kill more citizens unnecessarily. We have to act to try to save some of them,

It should have been weeks ago but it has to be now. Not next week.
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Wow, was hoping for 600k which would bring positive rate under 10%. Frightening thing is that the mixing at Xmas hasn’t taken effect yet so expect those figures to jump even higher. We must go into lockdown immediately not wait until January 2. Flights into UK banned as well unless returning UK citizens who must be forced to quarantine. Don’t want to quarantine then stay in whatever country you are currently in.
 
Len Rum said:
Are those 91% and 95% figures true? ( Source?)
Serious question - because if they are, wtf are we playing around at?
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The vaccine has not been tested as a single dose, and the primary purpose of the second dose is longer term immunity rather than higher short term immunity AFAIK.

If people lose immunity quickly as a result of not getting that second dose, particularly older people, we could fairly rapidly end up back at square one.

There is an argument for using it as a one dose jab initially for sure, but it's risky, and there is good reason for only using medicines as approved.
 
Healdplace said:
Yes, see above.

They have only just posted the tests.

They considered it so important they have not updated the number in nearly a week.

Other nations did. England did not until just now.

Christmas has been more important than truth or lives and that will be what people remember of December 2020.
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Sorry must have missed the figure in the blizzard of posts. I agree with your point on the sluggishness of our response. The Government has been slow to respond since day one. Our political system is just not fit for purpose in a digital age.
 
Testing numbers over Christmas pillar 1 and 2

TESTS V CASES FOUND

24 DEC 463, 123 v 32, 725

25 DEC 339, 024 v 35, 691

26 DEC 269, 876 v 30, 501

27 DEC 352, 702 v 41, 385

28 DEC 351, 140 v 53, 135
 
There will be some redistribution on dates of course. But testing v cases is not looking good whichever way you spin it.
 
Healdplace said:
Not yet updated in detail but over Christmas England hospital patients rose from 18, 227 to 20, 426. Now higher than the Wave One peak in early April.

As so many of us have said in here for about 2 weeks now we NEED a national lockdown. Why is it taking so long for this to happen? Every day is hundreds of deaths and fewer hospital beds and likely an extra week we will need to be locked down for to row back the escalation caused by the delay.

Nothing about this makes any sense.

Yet whilst the virus accelerates to the timetable of a space rocket we prevaricate at the speed of a snail.
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Indeed. The fact that highly intelligent people continue to be so incompetent, can only lead to the conclusion that high infection rates (herd immunity) is viewed as a way of accelerating the problem, so we can put it behind us at an earlier date in calendar?
 
Details to follow but it is not just the south in real trouble.

The NW today has a massive rise to numbers unseen for 2 or 3 months.

Up from 2551 yesterday to 4194.

By comparison Yorkshire only rose by 126 to 1886.

THEY only had 5% of this new streain of virus at last data (before Christmas) and NW had 17%.

I bet any money they are still low and NW is now shooting up.

I posted my concern on this disparity a few times here before Christmas,

If I could see then the actual experts must have.

Why have they let this happen? They should be battering down the doors at number 10.
 
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roubaixtuesday said:
This is absolutely consistent with govt response from day one.

I'm not surprised at all, but I am furious and frustrated.
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It is worth noting also, that any response measure announced is not implemented for days, giving people the ample opportunity to act against any regulation. That’s puzzled me throughout this.
 
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