Another new Brexit thread

[BobKowalski]

Fishermen in Devon join their Scottish brethren in the not happy stakes. Must admit I didn’t know about the 6 mile/12 mile difference which favours the French.

“We’ll be catching the same fish in the same waters as the French but we’ll have a mountain of paperwork.”
“Boris is a kipper': fury and frustration at Brexit fishing deal in Brixham

'Boris is a kipper': fury and frustration at Brexit fishing deal in Brixham

Many at the harbour in the Devon town are concerned that their industry has been sold short

www.theguardian.com

 

[bluethrunthru]

Fishermen in Devon join their Scottish brethren in the not happy stakes. Must admit I didn’t know about the 6 mile/12 mile difference which favours the French.

“We’ll be catching the same fish in the same waters as the French but we’ll have a mountain of paperwork.”
“Boris is a kipper': fury and frustration at Brexit fishing deal in Brixham

'Boris is a kipper': fury and frustration at Brexit fishing deal in Brixham

Many at the harbour in the Devon town are concerned that their industry has been sold short

www.theguardian.com

Of course they will face a mountain of paperwork - its been obvious from the get - go - they just chose to believe differently

 

[GH64]

I didn’t appreciate EU’s assent to the deal was provisional. Can’t see the EU Parliament not granting assent, but will allow them the opportunity to table amendments prior to full ratification.

Good to see the UK Parliament being given a full day to ratify, that will show those pesky Europeans how democracy should be done, I mean two months to analyse and debate a treaty? Pfft :)

‘What could turn out to be an important difference is that the UK Parliament will be giving the deal its full approval. In other words, no backsies.
The EU's approval is provisional and depends on full approval from the EU Parliament next year, probably at the end of February.

So if, in first 2 months of this deal's application, EU side thinks Johnson isn't living up to his word, they could refuse to give it full approval and we're back to no deal in March (provisional application expires 28 Feb).

But UK Parliament will have no such ability to cancel.’ @France24

The treaty has to be ratified by both houses of our Parliament to be legal. UK law says that the current arrangements can't be extended without a change of the law, and in any case the provision to extend the current deal has expired.
It might have been nice for Boris to be able to say "I'm putting this deal into place and we'll have a vote on it when everyone has had a good chance to read it through" but following Ms Miller's cases probably not the best plan. So it is rush it through or "no deal". Legal.
Interestingly there is a process for ratification by the EU which they aren't following. They had a meeting of the EU 27 Ambassadors who have provisionally OK'd it, and will get around to the formal work in their own sweet time. (It isn't just the EU parliament either - it will have to be ratified by the parliaments of each member state and potentially some regional ones). I can't find what allows this, other than pragmatism, does anyone know?

 

[bluethrunthru]

The treaty has to be ratified by both houses of our Parliament to be legal. UK law says that the current arrangements can't be extended without a change of the law, and in any case the provision to extend the current deal has expired.
It might have been nice for Boris to be able to say "I'm putting this deal into place and we'll have a vote on it when everyone has had a good chance to read it through" but following Ms Miller's cases probably not the best plan. So it is rush it through or "no deal". Legal.
Interestingly there is a process for ratification by the EU which they aren't following. They had a meeting of the EU 27 Ambassadors who have provisionally OK'd it, and will get around to the formal work in their own sweet time. (It isn't just the EU parliament either - it will have to be ratified by the parliaments of each member state and potentially some regional ones). I can't find what allows this, other than pragmatism, does anyone know?

The EU27 just want to crack on - they have sausages, mince, cheese and elver's to block and close UK businesses.

 

[BobKowalski]

Faisal Islam digging through the deal and finding some juicy nuggets. Rules of origin are a bitch. EU used that to shaft us on electric car production...

 

[bluethrunthru]

Faisal Islam digging through the deal and finding some juicy nuggets. Rules of origin are a bitch. EU used that to shaft us on electric car production...

what the EU have done is apply 3rd country rules like they do to any other - Project Fear becomes Project Clear by the hour but hey the ERG have said its a good deal - even Bridgen who's Leicestershire constituency must have plenty of cheese makers some who made and exported to the EU cheese made with un-pasteurised milk. They knew all this up front of course. They told us they did.

 

[Vic]

Fishermen in Devon join their Scottish brethren in the not happy stakes. Must admit I didn’t know about the 6 mile/12 mile difference which favours the French.

“We’ll be catching the same fish in the same waters as the French but we’ll have a mountain of paperwork.”
“Boris is a kipper': fury and frustration at Brexit fishing deal in Brixham

'Boris is a kipper': fury and frustration at Brexit fishing deal in Brixham

Many at the harbour in the Devon town are concerned that their industry has been sold short

www.theguardian.com

Here's a sense of relief from the fishing industry I've been cheering for - the ones whose livelihood was at risk without a deal, while as the post above confirms, we don't have the boats to take any fish the EU had to stop catching in UK waters.

Seafood Scotland responds to Brexit deal

The Chief Executive of Seafood Scotland, responded to the announcement of a Brexit deal as welcome relief to the Scottish seafood sector

thefishingdaily.com

 

[Len Rum]

Fishermen in Devon join their Scottish brethren in the not happy stakes. Must admit I didn’t know about the 6 mile/12 mile difference which favours the French.

“We’ll be catching the same fish in the same waters as the French but we’ll have a mountain of paperwork.”
“Boris is a kipper': fury and frustration at Brexit fishing deal in Brixham

'Boris is a kipper': fury and frustration at Brexit fishing deal in Brixham

Many at the harbour in the Devon town are concerned that their industry has been sold short

www.theguardian.com

UK fisherman learning the hard way the cruel realities of populism.
The people are useful to the elite to gain power but they are expendable once they have served their purpose.
Beware red wall Tory voters.

 

[meltonblue]

Even the Tory ERG think it's a true Brexit deal. BlImey.

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www.telegraph.co.uk

Partly down to them not understanding it properly. I hope no one tells them though!

 

[Vic]

The treaty has to be ratified by both houses of our Parliament to be legal. UK law says that the current arrangements can't be extended without a change of the law, and in any case the provision to extend the current deal has expired.
It might have been nice for Boris to be able to say "I'm putting this deal into place and we'll have a vote on it when everyone has had a good chance to read it through" but following Ms Miller's cases probably not the best plan. So it is rush it through or "no deal". Legal.
Interestingly there is a process for ratification by the EU which they aren't following. They had a meeting of the EU 27 Ambassadors who have provisionally OK'd it, and will get around to the formal work in their own sweet time. (It isn't just the EU parliament either - it will have to be ratified by the parliaments of each member state and potentially some regional ones). I can't find what allows this, other than pragmatism, does anyone know?

The sovereignty of 27 EU separate countries.

 

[west didsblue]

Partly down to them not understanding it properly. I hope no one tells them though!

They’ll work it out in about 9 months if the WA is anything to go by.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Interesting if true

 

[Ric]

Interesting if true

Not sure that’s a huge surprise, when the alternative is no deal.

 

[mat]

This time tomorrow this thread will be sent to the annals of BM history.

 

[meltonblue]

Personally if I was an MP, I’d vote against it. I get why Starmer isn’t though, he has to set a different narrative.

 

[Vic]

I did a bit more research on the "UK GDP will be 23% higher than France by 2035". Apparently it's down to the "Flat White Economy" of tech and digital (largest single sector by value in the economy) - centred on Shoreditch? - and boosted by the infectious creativity of immigrants.

Turns out the best British success story is thanks to foreigners, who are customers of Pret.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Interesting if true

Well the alternative is "No Deal"

 

[BlueAnorak]

I did a bit more research on the "UK GDP will be 23% higher than France by 2035". Apparently it's down to the "Flat White Economy" of tech and digital (largest single sector by value in the economy) - centred on Shoreditch? - and boosted by the infectious creativity of immigrants.

Turns out the best British success story is thanks to foreigners, who are customers of Pret.

So you admit it's a thing then?
Blimey. I'm sure you'll spin it.
Oh you have.

 

[Vic]

Interesting if true

Did they ask whether Brexit is shit?

 

[Vic]

So you admit it's a thing then?
Blimey. I'm sure you'll spin it.
Oh you have.

It's a thing, but I'm still not sure whether anyone gives it that much credence other than the guy who coined the term and has a book about it to promote.

Feel free to do your own research and do your own spin. See if you can find out whether he was convicted (March 2015).