A large number of comedians don’t get or didn’t get involved in politics.
The best didn’t anyway.
Taking the piss out of Boris Johnson and expecting someone to pay for it is ridiculous.
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The best didn’t anyway.
Taking the piss out of Boris Johnson and expecting someone to pay for it is ridiculous.
Rascal
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A good number of the right wing clowns on here have little idea or little interest as to what constitutes right wing politics, they are just reactionaries who vote against their own interests and for the interests of the Capitalist class.Not according to some of the clowns who rarely leave this sub forum.
The Capitalist class use Xenophobia, faux patriotism, racism and homophobia as tools to cause a reaction, hence we have the culture wars. Middle class faux intelligentsia like Brendan O'Neill of Spiked, the countless Right Wing think tanks, the shock jocks like Hartley Brewer and the agitational cranks who write for the likes of the Spectator all use the above tools to ferment division. They do so in the knowledge that a united working class is a threat to the Capitalist hegemony of their funders, so the best way to diffuse the threat is to cause division on issues where previously no real division existed.
The clowns who rarely leave this sub forum will confirm what I have written if you look closely enough.
hilts
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A good number of the right wing clowns on here have little idea or little interest as to what constitutes right wing politics, they are just reactionaries who vote against their own interests and for the interests of the Capitalist class.
The Capitalist class use Xenophobia, faux patriotism, racism and homophobia as tools to cause a reaction, hence we have the culture wars. Middle class faux intelligentsia like Brendan O'Neill of Spiked, the countless Right Wing think tanks, the shock jocks like Hartley Brewer and the agitational cranks who write for the likes of the Spectator all use the above tools to ferment division. They do so in the knowledge that a united working class is a threat to the Capitalist hegemony of their funders, so the best way to diffuse the threat is to cause division on issues where previously no real division existed.
The clowns who rarely leave this sub forum will confirm what I have written if you look closely enough.
Are you okay fella you seem a bit pissed off recently, genuine question by the way?
Rascal
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Tip top young Sir, tip top.Are you okay fella you seem a bit pissed off recently, genuine question by the way?
Franny's toilet roll
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Or comedy ;)Most of the right wing has nothing to do with racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia and the such.
hilts
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Or comedy ;)
Jimmy Carr isn’t too bad
gordondaviesmoustache
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I saw him live in Manchester once where he made a joke about Lewis Hamilton and his brother being the most unequal sibling rivalry in history, which is just as bad.Is this the same Frankie Boyle that made a joke about Katie Price’s disabled son raping her?
gordondaviesmoustache
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Why do you conflate being right wing with those things? There are plenty of right wing people who are none of those things.Not sure what is meant by right wing comedians. People with obviously right wing views (racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic or the such which isn’t remotely funny or acceptable) or people who make fun of the right wing? But isn’t the first rule of comedy the ability to take the piss out of yourself first?
gordondaviesmoustache
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Shittest joke ever.The Capitalist class use Xenophobia, faux patriotism, racism and homophobia as tools to cause a reaction, hence we have the culture wars. Middle class faux intelligentsia like Brendan O'Neill of Spiked, the countless Right Wing think tanks, the shock jocks like Hartley Brewer and the agitational cranks who write for the likes of the Spectator all use the above tools to ferment division. They do so in the knowledge that a united working class is a threat to the Capitalist hegemony of their funders, so the best way to diffuse the threat is to cause division on issues where previously no real division existed.
Rascal
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Like most jokes it contains an element of truth that we can all see within ourselves.Shittest joke ever.
Why do you conflate being right wing with those things? There are plenty of right wing people who are none of those things.
Sure, but people who do express those views do tend to vote for right wing parties, and the Tories absolutely deliberately tap into that voter base e.g. Zac Goldsmith's London mayoral smear campaign against Sadiq Khan, The Sun printing Katie Price calling asylum seekers literal cockroaches, Windrush ... need I go on? I absolutely hear you that it's not all right wingers, and there have of course been well documented issues on the left, but it's deliberately looking away to say that such traits aren't associated with right wing politics.
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If you are gonna politicise comedy you get
Maybe a few types
Far Right wing - misogynistic, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, purposely offensive - as someome said cunts like jim davidson and shock comics like roy chubby brown
Softer right - Ian hislop and the type, geoff norcott and kenny everett
Liberals - the bland unfunny family friendly cunts you get on saturday nigh telly, as with all things liberal, inoffensive, unimaginative and annoying as fuck. Tell their life story as an act.
Also a lot of the panel show comedians who play it safe.
Left wing comedians - pretty much bash the tories and conservatism, get mixed up with some more political liberal comedians.
Also the more smart arsed comedians who are normaly very funny, but like right wing comedians believe offence is part of comedy but in this case within context - stewart lee, jonathan pie, alexis sayle types.
Then their are ones that use offensive jokes as a vehicle or as an act while not really nailing any colours to a particular mast, gervaise and boyle, jim jeffries,
Then you have those that use tasteless jokes because they ain't very funny - jimmy carr
Maybe a few types
Far Right wing - misogynistic, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, purposely offensive - as someome said cunts like jim davidson and shock comics like roy chubby brown
Softer right - Ian hislop and the type, geoff norcott and kenny everett
Liberals - the bland unfunny family friendly cunts you get on saturday nigh telly, as with all things liberal, inoffensive, unimaginative and annoying as fuck. Tell their life story as an act.
Also a lot of the panel show comedians who play it safe.
Left wing comedians - pretty much bash the tories and conservatism, get mixed up with some more political liberal comedians.
Also the more smart arsed comedians who are normaly very funny, but like right wing comedians believe offence is part of comedy but in this case within context - stewart lee, jonathan pie, alexis sayle types.
Then their are ones that use offensive jokes as a vehicle or as an act while not really nailing any colours to a particular mast, gervaise and boyle, jim jeffries,
Then you have those that use tasteless jokes because they ain't very funny - jimmy carr
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gordondaviesmoustache
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I’m struggling to disagree with much of what you’ve said there, other than the fact I’m looking away from anything, but I think you’ve missed the point I was making, namely that there is a clear distinction between right wing and far—right wing politics - and sustained engagement in lazy conflation of the two by people on the left probably goes some way to explain why Labour has conspicuously lost the centre ground.Sure, but people who do express those views do tend to vote for right wing parties, and the Tories absolutely deliberately tap into that voter base e.g. Zac Goldsmith's London mayoral smear campaign against Sadiq Khan, The Sun printing Katie Price calling asylum seekers literal cockroaches, Windrush ... need I go on? I absolutely hear you that it's not all right wingers, and there have of course been well documented issues on the left, but it's deliberately looking away to say that such traits aren't associated with right wing politics.
gordondaviesmoustache
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The punchline was terrible.Like most jokes it contains an element of truth that we can all see within ourselves.
metalblue
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Why do you conflate being right wing with those things? There are plenty of right wing people who are none of those things.
I don’t personally but exactly my point and the vast vast majority I would hope. So how do you know someone is right wing? Some obviously so like Jim Davidson like Ben Elton was obviously left wing. Perhaps it was more obvious in the 80s
Making a joke out of a right wing government tells us nothing about someone’s political view. Nor does how you talk. And so on and so forth.
metalblue
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If you are gonna politicise comedy you get
Maybe a few types
Far Right wing - misogynistic, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, purposely offensive - as someome said cunts like jim davidson and shock comics like roy chubby brown
Softer right - Ian hislop and the type, geoff norcott and kenny everett
Liberals - the bland unfunny family friendly cunts you get on saturday nigh telly, as with all things liberal, inoffensive, unimaginative and annoying as fuck. Tell their life story as an act.
Also a lot of the panel show comedians who play it safe.
Left wing comedians - pretty much bash the tories and conservatism, get mixed up with some more political liberal comedians.
Also the more smart arsed comedians who are normaly very funny, but like right wing comedians believe offence is part of comedy but in this case within context - stewart lee, jonathan pie, alexis sayle types.
Then their are ones that use offensive jokes as a vehicle or as an act while not really nailing any colours to a particular mast, gervaise and boyle, jim jeffries,
Then you have those that use tasteless jokes because they ain't very funny - jimmy carr
Ian Hislop is believed to be a liberal, but as he speaks nice you’d think must vote Tory. That’s not a dig at why you put him on the list btw mate as I instantly thought of him when the question of right wing comedians came up.
I suppose it says more about our own subconscious bias
gordondaviesmoustache
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I would describe Jim Davidson’s politics as far-right, and fwiw, objectionable. Much of his output in the 80’s was unquestionably racist and whilst through necessity he’s toned it down, I highly doubt his views have changed.I don’t personally but exactly my point and the vast vast majority I would hope. So how do you know someone is right wing? Some obviously so like Jim Davidson like Ben Elton was obviously left wing. Perhaps it was more obvious in the 80s
Making a joke out of a right wing government tells us nothing about someone’s political view. Nor does how you talk. And so on and so forth.
I also think he’s a ****.
metalblue
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I would describe Jim Davidson’s politics as far-right, and fwiw, objectionable. Much of his output in the 80’s was unquestionably racist and whilst through necessity he’s toned it down, I highly doubt his views have changed.
I also think he’s a ****.
Get off the fence and say what you think mate. A mate of mine many moons ago gave him slap putting him firmly on his arse. His minders were telling Jim how he could have had him whilst picking him up from the floor. Now that was funny.