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Not good either to hear Andy Burnham confirm what I expected would be true. That the percentage of the new variant of the virus in Greater Manchester has continued to go up.

The NW had escalated between November and early December steadily up to 17%. Apparently the latest data shows it is now 25% in GM. Hence why case numbers are growing.

Very telling that up to the last day or so cases in Yorkshire have been very low by past standards. And they were the only region where the new variant was staying low. It was only around 6%.

Numbers there are showing hints of a rise and they almost certainly should all be in Tier 4 now but they will likely wait until evidence shows the new variant has increased its share there too - which was inevitable.

It is undeniable we in the NW are better than we would have been without the autumn wave. And we would be much better off now if that new variant had not appeared or we had been able to stop it earlier as the three months to act seems a long gap given its virulence.

But we are in a very precarious position now very largely because of that variant. And we should certainly ALL be in the same restrictions as in national ones. Because not being has either sacrificed the less infected who appear to be the next recipients of this clearly very prolific uptick in infectivity. Or it shows we have given up any hope of curbing it as it is already too late and that is not great to have to accept or admit.
 
squirtyflower said:
Cheers mate.
Thought it was that one.
I used it a few minutes ago and it gave me September, yet tried it a week or so ago and it gave me April!
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I have moved out to September aswell was March few weeks back wonder if priority order has changed?
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
I dont buy into all the optimism of Easter nornality suggested by the government and other people.
Realism suggests next year will be rubbish, I do not foresee any crowds back, any holidays or socializing whatsoever next year.
I've already wrote 2021 off and anything else is an absolute bonus.
It's a horrible pandemic and it has been a shit year, however I like others am of the opinion that there is more to this than just the pandemic now. Maybe a big reset and draconian control of the worldwide society is what is happening amongst this. If so is that a bad thing?
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That is anything but “realism” talking, that is 100% pessimism
 
Healdplace said:
As of yesterday - as I posted last night - in London in the past week Covid hospital patients rose from 3559 to 5371 - that is 1812 (and more than a 50% increase) in just 7 days.

Whereas the NW in those same 7 days FELL from 2406 to 2346,

London is also now at 599 on icu ventilator beds - up from 400 - a near 50% increase - in just 7 days.

Whereas NW has been falling in recent days and at 171 is only 18 up in the week - a 10% rise and way under the peak numbers in April.

These do not look like two areas with the same problem. Yet when the NW was like London is now and London was like the NW is now a couple of months ago they were treated differently because it would have been unfair to treat London the same as the NW and nobody wanted a national lockdown.

Now those rules are seemingly different and I have spoken to two people today both of whom are breaking the tier 4 rules to celebrate New Year tonight because they just think the government has lost control and does not act fairly and rules are such a mess they will just do what they want to do and be reasonably sensible because that is fairer than the partitions that have been created.

I bet you can multiply that by many households.

I am staggered by the way so many politicians are mismanaging something this important and seem so out of touch with what the nation thinks. Lessons never seem to be learned and the same mistakes keep getting repeated resulting in hasty course corrections that end up being less effective and more damaging to the economy as they take longer to put right.

I know none of this is easy to judge and balance and I was happy to give a new government time to get themselves in order. To be honest I don't care who is running the country only about the soundness of what we do as a nation in response to this terrible problem.

And it is hard to argue we have performed well over the past 9 months. We almost seem to be flapping about like a wet fish on the shoreline hoping we can stay alive long enough for the tide to turn.
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Loads of people ignoring the rules and then complaining because the rules arent effective.
 
hilts said:
Shouldn’t have started the year same as uni’s. Attendance should have been voluntary based on certain criteria. Less kids at school not having to be crammed in classes. Start the year at a later date. It’s not set in stone that school years have to run sept to May hell not even set in stone what age you have to start or finish school. Same with uni’s.

The time could have been used to catch up on what was missed more outdoor activities, home learning if parents wanted that. Kids are individuals and not all parents work or work full time.

It’s more important kids get a good education delayed rather than a poor one right now.

The problems were easily forecast but since the beginning we have had a poor reactive govt. rather than a good proactive one.
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Agree to disagree on the schools. The return in September was brilliant for both of mine.
 
Sadly the England Hospital Data will not bring a happy new year. Total catastrophe even allowing for extra catch up over Christmas. We may well make 1000 deaths today which I hoped we would avoid. And is very worrying with the impact of Christmas free for all yet to show any evidence on these numbers as that will not appear until mid January or so.

England hospital deaths 529 - a HUGE rise from 350 last week.

The NW at 73 comes out of that big rise reasonably well I should add.
 
hammocity said:
In the early 70's my School closed down due to the Miners strike (no fuel for the heating boiler), we had 7 weeks off, it was early new year so similar to now. We played football every day, found things to do and lived every moment of our "free" holidays. When we were told the school was reopening me and my mates were gutted, so much so, we cracked on we hadn't heard the news and only went back once a letter arrived at our parents houses.

Different times but I don't buy into the mental health problem for most of the kids. Send them back in March and let them have a shorter summer break in August.
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You don' t think kids' mental health has suffered?

When schools are closed, it is often the case that households cannot mix and they cannot go anywhere too. Of course, plenty are suffering.
 
I am afraid the cases data from the three nations also are huge. And there will almost certainly be a big number tonight for the UK. I would not rule out 60,000.

60,000 cases and 1000 deaths - both likely at or near tonight now - will send shockwaves around the world and be the darkest day in this entire pandemic for this country.

And I bet the one question everyone will ask is WHY the UK is not in full national lockdown and/or let Christmas go ahead with a variant raging they knew would bring these consequences.
 
Gabriel said:
Think there are fewer than 2,000, and some would be elsewhere/serving the service, but I agree they could be deployed.
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Nowhere near enough and they have to be trained in ICU, there were 400 beds alone in Manchester they say it’s 2 staff per bed at least
 
Feel like we're sleepwalking into disaster with this half-dose now only regime. Reading more and more virologists saying its absolutely insane to take this risk and if anything we're potentially creating a perfect petri dish scenario to allow the mutation of a vaccine-escaping variant due to the minimal data on the one dose effect when combined with the ridiculous spread across the UK and a semi-immunised population. Ffs.
 
Tonster said:
Couldn’t agree more. Exactly the same here.
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Yes, same situation for me. I was getting quite concerned about the social anxiety my 6 year old seemed to be displaying as a result of the initial lockdown. Thankfully after a few weeks back at school he was much better. If the schools end up closed for a long period I'll fully understand it but would be dreading it at the same time.
 
twosips said:
Feel like we're sleepwalking into disaster with this half-dose now only regime. Reading more and more virologists saying its absolutely insane to take this risk and if anything we're potentially creating a perfect petri dish scenario to allow the breeding of a vaccine-escaping variant due to the minimal data on the one dose effect when combined with the ridiculous spread across the UK. Ffs.
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Starting to think some brave renowned politician should be trying to create a war government as I fear we need one. In fact should have had one from the start. This virus has been consistently not taken seriously enough and conflicting policies between protecting lives and the economy has ended up hurting both to the maximum extent.

If ever there was a scenario where we need unity this is it. And we will not get it from a single party in charge. Whoever they are.

With Brexit done they should launch this now as a priority imo.

This is a national crisis and it needs to be handled with all the best minds involved not party politics driving what we do.

But as we all know they will not do such a thing. Too afraid of looking weak.
 
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