Coronavirus (2021) thread

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KS55 said:
I sympathise but you cannot take the politics out of decision making.
1. If you prioitise one aspect, you risk finishing up with nonsense. Ok, we are all healthy but there is no economic activity, sort of thing.
2 SAGE etc have not been elected by anybody so their priorities reflect their own background, training etc etc. Working class needs ignored.
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Just throwing out a conclusion mate, after making the main point about the ramped- up testing capability getting us nowhere after all the effort and resources put into it.
Very frustrating
 
KS55 said:
I sympathise but you cannot take the politics out of decision making.
1. If you prioitise one aspect, you risk finishing up with nonsense. Ok, we are all healthy but there is no economic activity, sort of thing.
2 SAGE etc have not been elected by anybody so their priorities reflect their own background, training etc etc. Working class needs ignored.
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They are considering working class needs though by trying to keep as many alive and remaining healthy as possible.

Economies, or the impacts of them, can be shielded or recovered when they start to fail through things like furlough, quantative easing and additional taxation and/or growth post pandemic.

Lives can be shielded by either vaccines or restrictions like what we’re putting in. They can’t be recovered when people are already dead.
 
meltonblue said:
They are considering working class needs though by trying to keep as many alive and remaining healthy as possible.

Economies, or the impacts of them, can be shielded or recovered when they start to fail through things like furlough, quantative easing and additional taxation and/or growth post pandemic.

Lives can be shielded by either vaccines or restrictions like what we’re putting in. They can’t be recovered when people are already dead.
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Yes, i was making a general point about the ppl (and how they are held to account) who sit within the gov machine, rather than commenting on current policy.
 
Just so you know. With the new variant:
- The rise in cases is exponential when schools and most workplaces are open.
- The hospitals will get full in a week or so. Many already are.
- 0.9% of cases are currently fatal.- most are over 65
- When hospitals are full, anyone who needs oxygen to get through COVID illness will die.
- That will boost the death rate to more than 80% of hospitalised cases. Around 7.5% of cases require hospitalisation = 4500 a day of all age groups at the moment (3600 @80%) but all age groups Add another 500 for those die in hospital after 3 weeks and so that would be 4100 deaths a day.
- This would ramp up exponentially as case increase.

But its only Flu.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Just so you know. With the new variant:
- The rise in cases is exponential when schools and most workplaces are open.
- The hospitals will get full in a week or so. Many already are.
- 0.9% of cases are currently fatal.- most are over 65
- When hospitals are full, anyone who needs oxygen to get through COVID illness will die.
- That will boost the death rate to more than 80% of hospitalised cases. Around 7.5% of cases require hospitalisation = 4500 a day of all age groups at the moment (3600 @80%) but all age groups Add another 500 for those die in hospital after 3 weeks and so that would be 4100 deaths a day.
- This would ramp up exponentially as case increase.

But its only Flu.
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Are people actually still saying that last line ? Silly thing to say. You already made your point.
 
A mate of mine said he went to a takeaway NYE and the wait for pickup was an hour so the restaurant let people sit in the restaurant whilst waiting. There's been a postive case in there that day. He also says 3 different members of his family visited same place that day and have different isolation periods (7 or 10 days basically). Anyone know why? No wonder this pandemic is out of control though. That one postive could touch a table, that doesn't get cleaned as they are waiting there not eating there.. if they have delivery drivers that could be every household they deliver to.
 
Schools are closed, sports halls are closed.

Both have space and facilities to be set up as vacination centers on peoples doorsteps.

Get anyone who can administer injections and can be spared from hospitals or even in other medical professions (vets etc) onsite, trained up and mass day long jabs rolled out.
How many people are first aiders who could at least on a voluntary basis be asked to help with the centers set up and running

If things like this are not in the mind as options And we just plod along I think we may be looking at more than 6 or even 12 weeks locked down
 
I know it’s early days but roads didn’t seem any quieter on my drive to work.

I think it’s going to be tough to replicate the March lockdown.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Just so you know. With the new variant:
- The rise in cases is exponential when schools and most workplaces are open.
- The hospitals will get full in a week or so. Many already are.
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Ours (Bristol) are filling up with people from Kent. So that when we get ill, there won't be a place for us. Brilliant.
 
Claytop said:
I know it’s early days but roads didn’t seem any quieter on my drive to work.

I think it’s going to be tough to replicate the March lockdown.
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Well we were told by work the lockdown comes into effect midnight tonight so to still come in today and collect anything we will need for WFH.

Think a few places will do that if honest
 
i'd be interested to see the vaccine take up rates for the group of people who haven't had covid and the group that have....
 
urban genie said:
Schools are closed, sports halls are closed.

Both have space and facilities to be set up as vacination centers on peoples doorsteps.

Get anyone who can administer injections and can be spared from hospitals or even in other medical professions (vets etc) onsite, trained up and mass day long jabs rolled out.
How many people are first aiders who could at least on a voluntary basis be asked to help with the centers set up and running

If things like this are not in the mind as options And we just plod along I think we may be looking at more than 6 or even 12 weeks locked down
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I was speaking to a friend who works in the NHS yesterday. We talked about this and he said that the NHS is just not geared up to work like that, it is litterally too weighed down in bureaucracy and proceedures to allow it to roll out such a radical vaccination plan.
 
urban genie said:
Well we were told by work the lockdown comes into effect midnight tonight so to still come in today and collect anything we will need for WFH.

Think a few places will do that if honest
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We are opposite to that at moment even though over half in my office work remotely in other plants manager is insisting we attend and work from the office.
 
anyone on here in the hospitality indsutry? pubs etc?

walked past one of my locals that been shut since October or whenever it was, and i wondered what all the staff are doing - are pubs/hospitality staff still on a furlough payment? if so, are you bored out of your minds?!
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I was speaking to a friend who works in the NHS yesterday. We talked about this and he said that the NHS is just not geared up to work like that, it is litterally too weighed down in bureaucracy and proceedures to allow it to roll out such a radical vaccination plan.
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Yeh someone posted a link on here to a story on the BBC website about a dentist who had volunteered to do the jabs. He had been asked to fill in a huge document and provide evidence of qualifications and courses he had attended. He pointed out that as a fully qualified dentist he had to have all of these but actually collating and then providing certificates for courses he'd attended years ago was going to take him ages so he gave up.
 
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