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Blueboy73 said:
Like you said, probably not the correct thread for this but I feel compelled to reply.
If you look back at previous posts prior to the one you responded to, you may get the full picture as, whether intentional or not, your post reminds me of Uefa's case against City that went to CAS where it appears you have taken out of context snippets from much bigger pieces of information and looked at this in isolation.

I am fully aware of the stats around SEN kids however there is no direct link between being eligible for FSM and having a statement so I'm no quite sure what you're getting at there?
In fact the vast majority of SEN kids aren't eligible for FSM so you're basically comparing apples with oranges and the origins of the posts prior to this discussion are based on the BBC's reporting of Rashford and whether it will help to tackle to route cause of issues in society around child poverty and nothing to do with SEN.

Nothing to do with SEN kids and like yourself, having worked in schools and for a Local Authority within Education, I don't think that enough resources are invested in improving the lives and chances of these kids and professionals who specialise in that field who I know personally have been saying and pushing for more resources for years.
My school has pretty good SEN provision and has a great reputation for this in the area however it is chronically under resourced.

In addition to going back further and reading previous posts, If you had read my last sentence properly, I said MANY will follow their parents example (not all) and from personal experience teachers in my school are pissing in the wind trying to provide an education for a lot of kids (not SEN) as their parents are setting such a poor example at home. This was around kids whose parents are fit and healthy and capable of making a meaningful contribution to society but choosing not to and you would have been aware of this if you had read all of the previous posts.

Like yourself, the poster I was responding to had, whether intentional or not, not read all of the previous posts and had taken one post in isolation and responded to that rather than looking at and being fully aware of the whole discussion or as I like to call it the Uefa v City approach.

The discussion started yesterday and was around the BBC and the amount of time and pubic money they are spending publicising Marcus Rashford with camera crews etc. at the licence fee payers expense.
Nothing wrong with mentioning his activities in the news as was the case with ITV.

One of my points is that this excessive publicity from the BBC (especially when compared with other news outlets), will not tackle the route cause / causes.

I don't want to put words in your mouth but perhaps you agree that paying a BBC report and a camera crew to follow Marcus Rashford around isn't going to provide a solution as it's not as easy or as straightforward as that?
This is what I have been saying all along.
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Woah there fella. I thought I was respectful in my post, so likening me to UEFA is a tad cuntish don’t you think? Lol
Especially when what I’ve written is nothing all like UEFA pal.

All I did was state I agree with a some of your sentiments, but definitely not your last sentence which was & I quote 'The children of this group will grow up and many will follow the example set by their parents and it's rinse and repeat for the next 10,20,30,40 years as things stand." so I simply stated some facts as to why I believe that not to be true for a good percentage of those kids, so nope, definitely not taken out of context, just replying to your last sentence as i thought it was a lazy assertion. I certainly didn't mean any disrespect, so apologies if you felt that way.

We are definitely in agreement on pretty much everything you've said, but I just happen to picked you up on something which didn't sit quite right with me, which I've realised was the word MANY. If you had used some, I really don't think I would've responded lol. Many to me insinuates majority, although I fully appreciate that you may not have meant it in that way.

'issues in society around child poverty and nothing to do with SEN.'

I know this is what you were discussing, but there is a strong correlation between child poverty & SEN.

'In fact the vast majority of SEN kids aren't eligible for FSM so you're basically comparing apples with oranges'

Agree with the fact (about 65%) but definitely not comparing apples with oranges. I think you're looking at it back to front mate (as explained below).

I am fully aware of the stats around SEN kids however there is no direct link between being eligible for FSM and having a statement so I'm no quite sure what you're getting at there?

If there is no link, why would an SEN pupil, without a statement or EHC, be just over twice as likely to also be PP/FSM than a non SEN pupil? (This is comparing apples with apples mate)
Or
Why would an SEN pupil with a statement or EHC be 2.5 times more likely to also be PP/FSM than a non SEN Pupil?

Have a think about those figures, which are similar right around the world, then let me know if you still think there is no link & we can start a proper thread about it & debate until the cows come home ;)

I've no idea where you got your information about there being no link, but I'd strongly suggest that it is in fact incorrect. I work with some of the top SEN consultants in the country & they would all say that there is a link, which is certainly backed up by the figures. Now I've explained myself in a little more detail, perhaps re-read my post & you'll understand what I was getting at, which in all honesty is similar to what you've been saying about providing a solution, although mine was purely from an SEN perspective, not from a FSM perspective.

All good in the hood bro & we're singing off the same hymn sheet :)

Edit: I don't want to put words in your mouth but perhaps you agree that paying a BBC report and a camera crew to follow Marcus Rashford around isn't going to provide a solution as it's not as easy or as straightforward as that?
100% mate
 
wolviedinho said:
Round and Round we go. Silvestre- remember this world beater for the scum. Well would you believe he says in the mirror that only 3 teams can win the league but guess who the raggy prick forgot to include...

Start with C & ends in Y =
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He did include Leicester City to be fair.
 
@BluePhil8 said:
Speaking in Portuguese, he said: 'The truth is that they paid me but I did not work. In truth, they tricked us because I do not speak English. They did arrange for me to take a course in scouting. I went to the classroom on two occasions, to appear there at the course. It was inside Manchester City.'
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Haha, if you look at what the father is quoted saying, it's one of two things:

1) He thought he was getting a bribe by which he would pretend to be a scout, but City were actually serious and tried to get him trained up by sending him on courses. Hence the "They tricked us" quote.

2) He actually tricked City because he obviously agreed to do a course for scouting, he sacked it off after 2 lessons and still took the money. If he needed English lessons, they would have got him some easy enough. It seems he had no intention of becoming a scout, perhaps because the pay wasn't that much?

If this had been a United article, the Athletic wouldn't have seen it as news is the sad thing, even if there was a lot more to it.

I wonder how the press would take it, if City started strategically leaking stories about United and Liverpool, to piss the cunts off during their ups and downs. Maybe they'd slip up and reveal something about how their own publication works.
 
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mike1923 said:
‘I have attended scores of press conferences over the last three years where Pep Guardiola's handling of Phil Foden has been questioned.
It has generally been along the lines of Foden not getting enough chances, particularly compared to Jadon Sancho, who flourished after leaving Manchester City for Borussia Dortmund.
But watching Foden now, you can see Guardiola's guiding hand.
It looks like his development has been handled perfectly.’

Is Simon Stone feeling ok?
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He's obviously been called out after posting rag news directly after Phil scored.

I can't take simple simon serious.
 
Maly Wilson said:
Woah there fella. I thought I was respectful in my post, so likening me to UEFA is a tad cuntish don’t you think? Lol
Especially when what I’ve written is nothing all like UEFA pal.

All I did was state I agree with a some of your sentiments, but definitely not your last sentence which was & I quote 'The children of this group will grow up and many will follow the example set by their parents and it's rinse and repeat for the next 10,20,30,40 years as things stand." so I simply stated some facts as to why I believe that not to be true for a good percentage of those kids, so nope, definitely not taken out of context, just replying to your last sentence as i thought it was a lazy assertion. I certainly didn't mean any disrespect, so apologies if you felt that way.

We are definitely in agreement on pretty much everything you've said, but I just happen to picked you up on something which didn't sit quite right with me, which I've realised was the word MANY. If you had used some, I really don't think I would've responded lol. Many to me insinuates majority, although I fully appreciate that you may not have meant it in that way.

'issues in society around child poverty and nothing to do with SEN.'

I know this is what you were discussing, but there is a strong correlation between child poverty & SEN.

'In fact the vast majority of SEN kids aren't eligible for FSM so you're basically comparing apples with oranges'

Agree with the fact (about 65%) but definitely not comparing apples with oranges. I think you're looking at it back to front mate (as explained below).

I am fully aware of the stats around SEN kids however there is no direct link between being eligible for FSM and having a statement so I'm no quite sure what you're getting at there?

If there is no link, why would an SEN pupil, without a statement or EHC, be just over twice as likely to also be PP/FSM than a non SEN pupil? (This is comparing apples with apples mate)
Or
Why would an SEN pupil with a statement or EHC be 2.5 times more likely to also be PP/FSM than a non SEN Pupil?

Have a think about those figures, which are similar right around the world, then let me know if you still think there is no link & we can start a proper thread about it & debate until the cows come home ;)

I've no idea where you got your information about there being no link, but I'd strongly suggest that it is in fact incorrect. I work with some of the top SEN consultants in the country & they would all say that there is a link, which is certainly backed up by the figures. Now I've explained myself in a little more detail, perhaps re-read my post & you'll understand what I was getting at, which in all honesty is similar to what you've been saying about providing a solution, although mine was purely from an SEN perspective, not from a FSM perspective.

All good in the hood bro & we're singing off the same hymn sheet :)

Edit: I don't want to put words in your mouth but perhaps you agree that paying a BBC report and a camera crew to follow Marcus Rashford around isn't going to provide a solution as it's not as easy or as straightforward as that?
100% mate
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I didn't say you weren't respectful and I did say it may be unintentional however it was clear that you hadn't read the previous posts as you would have had the full context and noted that there was no previous mention of SEN in any posts of mine or responses from other posters prior to your input.

The debate was purely around FSM and I feel strongly that the route causes aren't been tackled in the right way however some posters have taken that as me slagging off Rashford for his efforts when it is the BBC that I am criticising.
He was mentioned on ITV national and regional for the last 2 nights (I avoid the BBC as much as I can these days) and they used archive footage and I feel this is a positive however we both agree that it isn't tackling the route cause.

The government basically shot itself in the foot by making it's guidelines too vague which has caused the shit storm with some of the pitiful food parcels and I actually find it quite funny ( and embarrassing for a group of university educated ministers) to be owned by a lad in his 20's from a council estate in Manchester ( like myself but now in their 40's) as it was obvious this was going to happen.

Yes I was pissed off when I read your post, especially as I've read some of your posts before and you've always come across very well.

To be fair UEFA took snippets of information to try and hang my club out to dry and although I know this was not your intention, it felt like I was being hung out to dry in public in some kind if kangaroo court in the same way using snippets.
In addition, another poster who I hadn't encountered before did something similar earlier on which didn't help therefore you probably got a stronger response than if you had been the first to respond later in the day after that particular debate had basically come to a close.

Apologies if I came across as a bit abrasive in my response.

My biggest gripe is the fit and healthy parents with fit and healthy children that set a poor example by contributing nothing to society which is the rinse and repeat reference as their kids have basically got no chance.

I've also had a short spell working in a special school with 100% SEN kids and noted a significant number of parents were ex pupils and this is a group in which for numerous reasons (that I know we're both aware of) can't work and I had said in previous posts that people who can't help themselves deserve as much help as they can get.

My SEN comparison was based on my own experience working in mainstream schools and in my experience the FSM/SEN ratio is similar to FSM ratio of kids without a statement and I see the figures myself in my current role.

One of the great things about this forum is the freedom to have a decent discussion and the fact that we can all bring something different to the table.

Like you said bro, all is good in the hood and at the end of the days we're both people who want to do the right thing who are both blues.
 
Blueboy73 said:
I didn't say you weren't respectful and I did say it may be unintentional however it was clear that you hadn't read the previous posts as you would have had the full context and noted that there was no previous mention of SEN in any posts of mine or responses from other posters prior to your input.

The debate was purely around FSM and I feel strongly that the route causes aren't been tackled in the right way however some posters have taken that as me slagging off Rashford for his efforts when it is the BBC that I am criticising.
He was mentioned on ITV national and regional for the last 2 nights (I avoid the BBC as much as I can these days) and they used archive footage and I feel this is a positive however we both agree that it isn't tackling the route cause.

The government basically shot itself in the foot by making it's guidelines too vague which has caused the shit storm with some of the pitiful food parcels and I actually find it quite funny ( and embarrassing for a group of university educated ministers) to be owned by a lad in his 20's from a council estate in Manchester ( like myself but now in their 40's) as it was obvious this was going to happen.

Yes I was pissed off when I read your post, especially as I've read some of your posts before and you've always come across very well.

To be fair UEFA took snippets of information to try and hang my club out to dry and although I know this was not your intention, it felt like I was being hung out to dry in public in some kind if kangaroo court in the same way using snippets.
In addition, another poster who I hadn't encountered before did something similar earlier on which didn't help therefore you probably got a stronger response than if you had been the first to respond later in the day after that particular debate had basically come to a close.

Apologies if I came across as a bit abrasive in my response.

My biggest gripe is the fit and healthy parents with fit and healthy children that set a poor example by contributing nothing to society which is the rinse and repeat reference as their kids have basically got no chance.

I've also had a short spell working in a special school with 100% SEN kids and noted a significant number of parents were ex pupils and this is a group in which for numerous reasons (that I know we're both aware of) can't work and I had said in previous posts that people who can't help themselves deserve as much help as they can get.

My SEN comparison was based on my own experience working in mainstream schools and in my experience the FSM/SEN ratio is similar to FSM ratio of kids without a statement and I see the figures myself in my current role.

One of the great things about this forum is the freedom to have a decent discussion and the fact that we can all bring something different to the table.

Like you said bro, all is good in the hood and at the end of the days we're both people who want to do the right thing who are both blues.
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Massively agree with this point pal

My biggest gripe is the fit and healthy parents with fit and healthy children that set a poor example by contributing nothing to society which is the rinse and repeat reference as their kids have basically got no chance.

Gotto feel sorry for the kids in that situation
 
LongsightM13 said:
Bookmarked for May
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The Rags remind me of Carlisle Utd in 1974.

My rag mate was getting giddy so I advised him to buy a paper (yes I know #buyacoffee) so he could cut out the league table and buy a picture frame so he could display it in his lounge.

"Worlds greatest football club" (TM) celebrating like this shows what a bunch of small time cunts they are
 
MillsyTheMosher said:
I’ve had to call the chief sports writer at The Times out on Twitter just now. See screenshots below...
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Hes hollier than thou
Always came across as a prick on Sunday supplement. Loves himself.
Takes himself so seriously.
These journos are gagging for endless lockdowns so they can report on bad news
 
LongsightM13 said:
A lot of the #TopReds flapping their gums today seem to have never heard of Louis Edwards and World in Action...
Interesting interview here from last summer with the acclaimed film director Paul Greengrass, who was behind the Granada TV investigation.
Turns out Edwards was not only bribing the families of young players and supplying rotten meat to the poorest children in Manchester and Cheshire, he was also cynically ripping off the families of Munich disaster victims
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My grandmother knew little about football but she was virulently anti Louis Edwards and the rotten meat supplied to schools. She had the knowledge of this because my grandfather served on the council for many years in the poorest ward in the city. Dougie Edwards, Louis's brother was on the council too and became Lord Mayor. I am not sure about his involvement but l do recall there were two convenient fires, one at OT and one at the meat business offices in which certain records were lost.
The book 'Lost Babes' written by a United fan gives a sobering story of the appalling way the Munich families were treated.
A disgusting club now and further back in their 'istree.
 
Mike Cledford said:
My grandmother knew little about football but she was virulently anti Louis Edwards and the rotten meat supplied to schools. She had the knowledge of this because my grandfather served on the council for many years in the poorest ward in the city. Dougie Edwards, Louis's brother was on the council too and became Lord Mayor. I am not sure about his involvement but l do recall there were two convenient fires, one at OT and one at the meat business offices in which certain records were lost.
The book 'Lost Babes' written by a United fan gives a sobering story of the appalling way the Munich families were treated.
A disgusting club now and further back in their 'istree.
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Yeah Doug Edwards has also been mentioned as being just as thoroughly corrupt and crooked as his brother in that interview and in other articles.
Maybe Marcus Rashford is feeding the kids as a long overdue apology for Louis Edwards filling his pockets while poisoning them ;)
 
MillsyTheMosher said:
Wow the absolute state of The Times back page tomorrow.
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Better off not responding,I know it’s hard but the only reason for that is to appease the masses who lap it up,all city’s fault if season gets suspended or all city’s fault the pandemic has got out of control in the uk due to city players hugging after scoring goals,just wait till we go top of the league hopefully by February,wouldn’t be surprised if this anal retentive writes another article this time calling for the league to be voided,we can see what’s going on just ignore them and move on .
 
Blueboy73 said:
I didn't say you weren't respectful and I did say it may be unintentional however it was clear that you hadn't read the previous posts as you would have had the full context and noted that there was no previous mention of SEN in any posts of mine or responses from other posters prior to your input.

The debate was purely around FSM and I feel strongly that the route causes aren't been tackled in the right way however some posters have taken that as me slagging off Rashford for his efforts when it is the BBC that I am criticising.
He was mentioned on ITV national and regional for the last 2 nights (I avoid the BBC as much as I can these days) and they used archive footage and I feel this is a positive however we both agree that it isn't tackling the route cause.

The government basically shot itself in the foot by making it's guidelines too vague which has caused the shit storm with some of the pitiful food parcels and I actually find it quite funny ( and embarrassing for a group of university educated ministers) to be owned by a lad in his 20's from a council estate in Manchester ( like myself but now in their 40's) as it was obvious this was going to happen.

Yes I was pissed off when I read your post, especially as I've read some of your posts before and you've always come across very well.

To be fair UEFA took snippets of information to try and hang my club out to dry and although I know this was not your intention, it felt like I was being hung out to dry in public in some kind if kangaroo court in the same way using snippets.
In addition, another poster who I hadn't encountered before did something similar earlier on which didn't help therefore you probably got a stronger response than if you had been the first to respond later in the day after that particular debate had basically come to a close.

Apologies if I came across as a bit abrasive in my response.

My biggest gripe is the fit and healthy parents with fit and healthy children that set a poor example by contributing nothing to society which is the rinse and repeat reference as their kids have basically got no chance.

I've also had a short spell working in a special school with 100% SEN kids and noted a significant number of parents were ex pupils and this is a group in which for numerous reasons (that I know we're both aware of) can't work and I had said in previous posts that people who can't help themselves deserve as much help as they can get.

My SEN comparison was based on my own experience working in mainstream schools and in my experience the FSM/SEN ratio is similar to FSM ratio of kids without a statement and I see the figures myself in my current role.

One of the great things about this forum is the freedom to have a decent discussion and the fact that we can all bring something different to the table.

Like you said bro, all is good in the hood and at the end of the days we're both people who want to do the right thing who are both blues.
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Could you tell me from your experience why some families get vouchers whilst others get the packs? Is it the way certain councils choose to do it. There has been a lot of talk about these packs but mention of where its happening regionally or otherwise although a very generic word 'companies' is mentioned but that's about it.
 
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