Coronavirus (2021) thread

[kaz7]

I don't assume 'people' don't know as anyone with reasonable grasp of things will and anyone posting regularly in here obviously will as they have acquainted themselves with the reality week by week.

But it is not insulting to think plenty of people do tie numbers reported today to events that happened in the past few days and we even had one or two doing not dissimilar things in here as unless you are really au fait with how this works you are not going to know the deaths today are from Christmas or before. They may well get that they are not literally today. But I suspect the 4 week lag will be far less understood.

I had a look on line and there were plenty of people saying this like - we lock down and deaths go up.. Let us just open up again and get on with life as locking down is not saving lives.

The truth is the exact opposite and imo it is the job of journalism to explain that in ways people will understand because of too many start to ease off thinking there is no point in being careful and the vaccine is coning anyway we will surrender the future as hostage to the past.

It is more important than ever that people understand that lockdown does work, is saving lives and with the vaccine is our best shot of regaining normality. But to do that they have to in a sense 'talk down' to those who are only familiar with the story as presented by the headlines not the story behind the headlines which right now is far more important.

Not everyone is obsessed with numbers ,you cannot expect the media with limited time and space to report them

Most people understand the lag , it is repeated every hour on sky , your beef with the media is not , imo, fair

People understand that the mixing at the holidays would cause a surge , they weighed it up and decided to do it any way , some people are thick but not everyone

 

[somapop]

Great to hear you're feeling a bit perkier. But please, I can't be the only one reading this and thinking that line about "hopefully return to full work on Monday" needs to be put on the back burner for now. Take it day by day and don't rush yourself or set targets. Good news from the doc nonetheless, hopefully all upwards from here!

Yes perfect point, although it’s more a desire for me to get back to normality. The psychological effects over the past week have been as bad for me as the physical ones. As your body fights all this it flips your brain upside down. Haven’t been able to think straight and it all went rather dark.

Btw - where does an oxygen reading of 95 sit? Average?

 

[cleavers]

Yes I noticed that. Glad the penny may be dropping.

But I would like someone to also point out that there is a link between deaths now and that risk many took at Christmas with loved ones because it was Christmas and that mattes more than what might happen in the future.

It is a hard kick up the backside that some out there need to have. So they might finally grasp that selfish actions cost lives and possibly the lives of those they love.

By far the best TV reporting we do see really kicks you in the gut and there are just enough people out there - not here or anywhere keeping themselves informed - who need that kick to try to make them see that any little thing they do could change the life of someone else for ever. And that someone could even be them.

The truly selfish will never get that. But I choose to think most people are not truly selfish just frustrated and fed up and of the belief that the young should just get on with it and leave the rest to decide for themselves.

The more the indiscrimination of this virus is made apparent and that - unlike the national lottery - it really could be you - or your loved one - the more likely we are to chart a rapid path out of this into a better tomorrow. Every selfish decision sets us back a few more moments.

Good post, especially your last paragraph.

 

[kaz7]

Yes perfect point, although it’s more a desire for me to get back to normality. The psychological effects over the past week have been as bad for me as the physical ones. As your body fights all this it flips your brain upside down. Haven’t been able to think straight and it all went rather dark.

Btw - where does an oxygen reading of 95 sit? Average?

You need to be able to maintain 94 to be ok, mine was 90 , i was doing all kinds of deals with god that it didnt drop into the 80's as that means trouble , i was in hospital not home so right place . Good your chest is clear. I know what you mean about the mental effects , it is a journey as they say, look fowards now , dont rush back to work

 

[mexico1970]

Yes perfect point, although it’s more a desire for me to get back to normality. The psychological effects over the past week have been as bad for me as the physical ones. As your body fights all this it flips your brain upside down. Haven’t been able to think straight and it all went rather dark.

Btw - where does an oxygen reading of 95 sit? Average?

Going off this chart it's an average reading, anything below 90 isn't.

Oxygen Saturation And What It Means For You - Lung Institute

Oxygen saturation refers to the amount of oxygen that’s in your bloodstream. Anyone with an oxygen saturation level below 90% will likely require...

lunginstitute.com

 

[cleavers]

Yes perfect point, although it’s more a desire for me to get back to normality. The psychological effects over the past week have been as bad for me as the physical ones. As your body fights all this it flips your brain upside down. Haven’t been able to think straight and it all went rather dark.

See if you can find the story about the 105 year old, who's just recovered from covid, and had the vaccine on her birthday today, should cheer you up.

 

[Healdplace]

Not everyone is obsessed with numbers ,you cannot expect the media with limited time and space to report them

Most people understand the lag , it is repeated every hour on sky , your beef with the media is not , imo, fair

People understand that the mixing at the holidays would cause a surge , they weighed it up and decided to do it any way , some people are thick but not everyone

Many people are obsessed with some things. Even in here.

But I will not push the point and happily just disagree.

I have no problem with there being different opinions on things as complicated as this. It would be amazing if there were not

 

[Rammy Blue]

Yes perfect point, although it’s more a desire for me to get back to normality. The psychological effects over the past week have been as bad for me as the physical ones. As your body fights all this it flips your brain upside down. Haven’t been able to think straight and it all went rather dark.

Btw - where does an oxygen reading of 95 sit? Average?

Mate, I was going to reply before, until I saw @ayrshire_blue post. I nearly fell off my chair at your comment about returning to work, especially after you’ve mentioned how bad this has hit you. Just concentrate on getting well.

On the oxygen, anywhere between 95 and 100% is fine/expected, but normally between 96 and 98, so you’re all good.

 

[Healdplace]

GM scoreboard highlights:

Total 1169. Down 190. Lowest total in 16 days.

North West total 4011 - down 655.

GM is 29,1% of NW total. Identical to yesterday. All areas seemingly fell pretty uniformly today across the UK.


Manchester under 300 for first time in two weeks. Nobody else higher than 124. Four boroughs under 100.

No real surprises.

 

[Marvin]

Target is to offer not to vacinate there will be 20% or so who will decline.

I know that. The 500k came from the FT last week. I was trying to show how quickly we could get out of this

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital data:

Patients 34, 015 - down 321 in day. Ventilators 3603 - up 33 in day

Regions:-



East

Patients 3990 - down 254. Ventilators 355 - down 2. Promising fall here.



London

Patients 7711 - down 206, Ventilators 1207 - down 13 and seven more promising signs here.


Midlands

Patients 6325 - up 47. Ventilators - up 4 to 602. Deaths high here. Highest numbers for both patients and ventilators ever. Not turning the corner yet here.


NE & Yorkshire

Patients 3830 - up 34. Ventilators up 18 to 316. Highest ever numbers here on both.


North West

Patients 4307 - up 65. Ventilators - down 3 to 381. Highest patients ever here but ventilatrs starting to look like they have stabilised last few days.


South East

Patients 5509 - up 16. Ventilators - up 17 to 531. Highest ventilator numbers yet\


South West

Patients - down 29 to 2337. Ventilators - up 12 to 211. Highest ventilators yet by a lot in this small region.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

The bbc usually do mention it, my point though is about the way they (and all media) report things in such a sensationalist way, and they do, but you and I and kaz watch the news, but a huge number of this country never watch any news, so will probably only pick the sensationalist news from social media outlets. Kaz said people do know the real daily death numbers, but I bet most don't have a clue. I don't think I would unless @Healdplace had explained it properly.

As an example, my wife watches the news too, but when she commented on tonight's bbc "record" headline with genuine shock, I had to point out that the number was bollocks, and the highest actual daily number ever is 1073, and that was back in April. I'm sure I've pointed it out to her before as well, but she's less interested than I am, so it probably went in one ear and out of the other, and that is the problem, most will only remember today's "record" number headline, until the next "record" next Tuesday (hopefully not, and it's started to retreat).

I don't even think that some in government understand the numbers never mind ordinary people, and I'm damn sure the media don't.

The numbers of deaths reported today are staggering whichever way you look at it. Yes the day people died was highest in April but current daily deaths will be in the ballpark soon enough, as the catch up happens.

What’s your view on the strain on the NHS being underplayed by the media until recent days? There seems to be an assumption (on here and in the media) that once the deaths start falling, services will recover quickly but that’s far from guaranteed. Many workers will have PTSD, waiting lists will probably take many months or years to bring under control and NHS staff (and potential recruits) could decide to pursue their careers outside the NHS eg to healthcare services that don’t have 100k vaccines.

Over the weekend, 10 Downing Street were briefing against Sir Simon Steven (Chief Executive of NHS England) probably to try push Dido Harding towards the job like they’ve been doing for months. That really would do lasting damage.

 

[ctwrd]

Interesting stats on makeup of hospitalisations

50% are in 50-69 age group
25% 70+
5% 80+

argument goes that whilst older = more risk, as elders are shielding it would actually make more sense to prioritise vaccination of 50-69 group first to relieve pressure on NHS.

effectively, the government is prioritising minimising deaths within 28days of positive test rather than the overall health of the NHS (and the knock on deaths caused by cancelled procedures, lack of people coming forward to be diagnosed etc

 

[worsleyweb]

My Cousin has got it and really struggling and In hospital and a bloke at work who had it recently just had a heart attack brought on by Covid. Still everywhere clearly.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

My Cousin has got it and really struggling and In hospital and a bloke at work who had it recently just had a heart attack brought on by Covid. Still everywhere clearly.

Sorry to hear that. I’m not convinced by the reported big drops in case numbers given the prevalence of Covid amongst BM posters and other people I hear about. I hope everyone recovers and also that the virus is in decline.

 

[twosips]

Sorry to hear that. I’m not convinced by the reported big drops in case numbers given the prevalence of Covid amongst BM posters and other people I hear about. I hope everyone recovers and also that the virus is in decline.

There will be a drop, but we're forgetting that we're dropping from an incredibly high point. Hence why so many on BM have it. We've gotten used to tens of thousands of cases a day, but that's fucking loads. 35k seems small given it was pushing 70k very recently, but it's still 35k a day. Ridiculous numbers and one of the worst in the world, if not THE worst in the world. 30k a day is still over 200k cases a week in the UK. For an easy comparison, Australia have had 28k cases....total. Throughout the pandemic. We're a mess. Hence why it won't feel like its going down, even if it is. Cos its everywhere still.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Btw - where does an oxygen reading of 95 sit? Average?

You get a more accurate reading after a small amount of physical exertion. If you drop into the low 90's from doing a few stair reps then you really need to be thinking of making a call because you can spiral down alarmingly fast from there.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I don’t understand how we can be getting so many cases/deaths. There is no mass gatherings, everything is shut almost. I don’t believe people are catching covid from walking outside

these are from people infected 2-3 weeks ago.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

Interesting stats on makeup of hospitalisations

50% are in 50-69 age group
25% 70+
5% 80+

argument goes that whilst older = more risk, as elders are shielding it would actually make more sense to prioritise vaccination of 50-69 group first to relieve pressure on NHS.

effectively, the government is prioritising minimising deaths within 28days of positive test rather than the overall health of the NHS (and the knock on deaths caused by cancelled procedures, lack of people coming forward to be diagnosed etc

I'm in that 50% group but I wouldn't want to be done before more elderly, at risk groups. The last time I saw it the average age of people that had died whilst having Covid it was 82 and a bit.

 

[somapop]

Sorry to hear that. I’m not convinced by the reported big drops in case numbers given the prevalence of Covid amongst BM posters and other people I hear about. I hope everyone recovers and also that the virus is in decline.

It’s astonishing how it appears to have jumped from ‘I don’t know anyone who has had it’ to stream of us succumbing to it.