Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Wales data :- 3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v Today:


Deaths/Cases/Patients/Ventilated / weekly pop score


17d / 2069c / 1964p / 140v (??? Weekly Pop only published in last 2 weeks)

16d / 1332c / 2009p / 150v/ 404 pop

8d / 1106c / 1840 p / 147v / 295 pop

8d / 570 c / 1823 p * / 136v * / 219 pop (* hospital data 2 days old) TODAY


Wales have turned things round very well since Christmas
 
AlgarveBlu said:
Just more recent affirmation today of what has been posted by others yesterday on the Israel/Pfizer data feedback - Me likey!

No serious Covid cases among those receiving both Pfizer jabs in Israel, minister says​

Israel, which has already given a full set of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccinations to over 6% of its citizens, has not registered a single serious Covid case among them, even as infections surge in the wider population, the government has said, Reuters reports.
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Amazing work.
 
Healdplace said:
Wales data :- 3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v Today:


Deaths/Cases/Weekly Pop/Patients/Ventilated


17d / 2069c / 1964p / 140v (??? Weekly Pop only published in last 2 weeks)

16d / 1332c / 2009p / 150v/ 404 pop

8d / 1106c / 1840 p / 147v / 295 pop

8d / 570 c / 1823 p * / 136v * / 219 pop (* hospital data 2 days old) TODAY
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A really positive trend. Although never becoming complacent, it'll be of comfort to those who have to go to work or visit a supermarket that the risk isn't near the same levels in terms of spread within the community than what it was only recently. Hopefully with the vaccine process ongoing and lockdown continuing for a bit then that risk level won't ever get out of hand to such levels again.
 
paulchapo said:
I saw the interview and as irritating as it was I don't think she technically broke any law by flying there when she did? Morally is another story. I think Schofield said the rules on what's essential travel have been tightened since although what's deemed essential is subjective I guess

These so called online celebrity bloggers I don't get but a lot seem to make a decent living out of doing it and with the job situation as it is I can't blame them. She's certainly not as reprehensible as that Scottish mp who travelled on a train in spite of knowing she had covid and kept her well paid job.

I would imagine loads of rich people and some not so rich but with holiday apartments abroad got away in December before foreign travel was banned. I have friends in their seventies in Tenerife at the moment who are going to stay there until the weather and hopefully restrictions here improve. I can't say I blame them as even though there is a curfew there and restrictions they can still get some sun and have a beer while watching some live entertainment, something we can't do here.

I agree with you though it is stretching it to say doing exercise classes and posting pictures online from Dubai is essential business.
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She was in the Times on Sunday. Irritating she may be, but I agree. I don’t think she’s broken any rules. She flew before the travel ban.
 
artfuldodger said:
She was in the Times on Sunday. Irritating she may be, but I agree. I don’t think she’s broken any rules. She flew before the travel ban.
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Its not the rules as such but the promoting of the message it sends out.

I know This Morning well first hand and how it has changed since then. Richard and Judy would never have done a story like this in the same way. They were journalists not entertainers. And the way it has morphed from the Albert Dock days to now is very reflective of how UK society has changed in those 35 years or so. And why we have so many problems with people who think they can act above and beyond what is right as fame trumps everything in the age of tweet posting twits.
 
artfuldodger said:
She was in the Times on Sunday. Irritating she may be, but I agree. I don’t think she’s broken any rules. She flew before the travel ban.
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If the media hadn't started reporting on it I would have been none the wiser. I didn't have a clue who she was. There are probably loads of so called businesses people using the guise of essential business travel to grab a sly break as an added bonus. I'm not sure if I heard right but I think she owns her own apartment out there? With seemingly no restrictions in Dubai and better weather and her able to do her job anywhere in the world she'd be mad to stay in the UK. I think her circumstances are slightly different as she intends to stay out there for a good while and not be flying in and out of the UK.

The media picked your steriotypical posing working class blonde out to report on as they knew it would cause more outrage than some grey businessman in a suit exploiting the loophole.
 
A total of 7,245 deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 15 January mentioned COVID-19 on the death certificate, according to new data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) released today.

This is up from 6,057 deaths in the week to 8 January and is the highest weekly figure since the week ending 24 April.

More than a third (40.2%) of all deaths registered in England and Wales in the week to 15 January mentioned COVID-19 on the death certificate - the highest proportion recorded since the pandemic began

Effects of the holidays ?
 
According to the Office for National Statistics the UK's COVID-19 death toll has now surpassed 100,000, economics and data editor Ed Conway reports.

The ONS number, which is based on the number of people whose death certificates mentioned COVID-19, was at 107,907 as of 15 January.

It's important to note that the ONS measure is slightly different to the official government count, published each day on its dashboard – which classifies a COVID death as one where someone had tested positive for the virus within 28 days of their death.

The ONS measure, however, is widely viewed as being a more comprehensive, if less timely, measure of the direct toll of the disease
 
paulchapo said:
If the media hadn't started reporting on it I would have been none the wiser. I didn't have a clue who she was. There are probably loads of so called businesses people using the guise of essential business travel to grab a sly break as an added bonus. I'm not sure if I heard right but I think she owns her own apartment out there? With seemingly no restrictions in Dubai and better weather and her able to do her job anywhere in the world she'd be mad to stay in the UK. I think her circumstances are slightly different as she intends to stay out there for a good while and not be flying in and out of the UK.

The media picked your steriotypical posing working class blonde out to report on as they knew it would cause more outrage than some grey businessman in a suit exploiting the loophole.
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All true, but the point is if you turn a publicity seeker into a story by giving them publicity that inspires others to think it okay to manipulate the rules then as a responsible media source you are guilty of creating the story not just reporting it.

These things should be either exposed as something we need less of and wrong or ignored. Not given air time to become an aspiration to chancers everywhere.

Even journalists should take seriously the role they have in persuading society why rules matter in a deadly pandemic.

From Major Tom as the inspiration in lockdown 1 to this says a lot about how we have drifted away from stoic togetherness toward shallow story telling.

Clap for carers would never get off the ground now as it did in April.
 
kaz7 said:
A total of 7,245 deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 15 January mentioned COVID-19 on the death certificate, according to new data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) released today.

This is up from 6,057 deaths in the week to 8 January and is the highest weekly figure since the week ending 24 April.

More than a third (40.2%) of all deaths registered in England and Wales in the week to 15 January mentioned COVID-19 on the death certificate - the highest proportion recorded since the pandemic began

Effects of the holidays ?
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More likely the effects of staying in tiers or the wrong tiers too long in December rather than any mixing over Christmas.
 
Healdplace said:
Its not the rules as such but the promoting of the message it sends out.

I know This Morning well first hand and how it has changed since then. Richard and Judy would never have done a story like this in the same way. They were journalists not entertainers. And the way it has morphed from the Albert Dock days to now is very reflective of how UK society has changed in those 35 years or so. And why we have so many problems with people who think they can act above and beyond what is right as fame trumps everything in the age of tweet posting twits.
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I'm afraid we're way too far down the rabbit hole now to climb back out. The stupid and vacuous lap it up, ensuring the slightly smarter and/,or well marketed stupid and vacuous become very rich in the process.
 
Healdplace said:
All true, but the point is if you turn a publicity seeker into a story by giving them publicity that inspires others to think it okay to manipulate the rules then as a responsible media source you are guilty of creating the story not just reporting it.

These things should be either exposed as something we need less of and wrong or ignored. Not given air time to become an aspiration to chancers everywhere.

Even journalists should take seriously the role they have in persuading society why rules matter in a deadly pandemic.
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I entirely agree with your very valid points , but as I just said on another post we're too far down the rabbit hole to come back. The same applies to most of the so called journalist's.
 
Healdplace said:
All true, but the point is if you turn a publicity seeker into a story by giving them publicity that inspires others to think it okay to manipulate the rules then as a responsible media source you are guilty of creating the story not just reporting it.

These things should be either exposed as something we need less of and wrong or ignored. Not given air time to become an aspiration to chancers everywhere.

Even journalists should take seriously the role they have in persuading society why rules matter in a deadly pandemic.

From Major Tom as the inspiration in lockdown 1 to this says a lot about how we have drifted away from stoic togetherness toward shallow story telling.

Clap for carers would never get off the ground now as it did in April.
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You are really blaming phil and holly for that girl ? They are there to talk about what is happening and present both sides , they dont give people like her an easy time if they think they are wrong , richard would do the same
 
paulchapo said:
I entirely agree with your very valid points , but as I just said on another post we're too far down the rabbit hole to come back. The same applies to most of the so called journalist's.
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It does. And I keep thinking Hitler missed a trick by not living until he was 150 as he would likely have walked into Britain as he did into Austria now as Twitter would be full of him being a 'saviour who is misunderstood'.

This is our first real test as a vacuous society and it is exposing things we all likely knew was happening but in the midst of a global trauma the worst since that war illustrates how the media now creates history rather than reports on it.

This is true everywhere. Even in China where vital time was lost in reporting what was happening out of fear of the consequences of being honest.

As a society unless we face up to why this is a major backward step from the war spirit that saved society in the past then when another big trauma even worse than Covid arrives - and it will - we may be too far down that rabbit hole you speak of to avoid going the way of the dinosaurs.
 
kaz7 said:
You are really blaming phil and holly for that girl ? They are there to talk about what is happening and present both sides , they dont give people like her an easy time if they think they are wrong , richard would do the same
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I did not say that I was blaming them for that girl. I am pointing out that if you give a fame seeker the fame they seek you inspire society to regard fame seeking as a way to live.

Richard would have torn her to shreds. So would This Morning 30 years ago. Likely without even inviting her on.

I know it is a light entertainment programme and was then. But I also knew the show from the inside and how they planned stories and why they took the tone they did.

This Morning has just gone with the times and it is society that has the problem not that show which I have great fondness for.
 
cleavers said:
They tried to bring it back 2 or 3 weeks ago, but it failed miserably as far as I can see, but the time of year and weather was all wrong to get it to work, unlike in the spring when it was daylight and relatively warm.
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It is partly that but the real truth society has got bored with the pandemic and thinks it is time for something new and more interesting.

In the 1940s by the time of the Battle of Britain it would have lead to - let's quit while we are ahead. Declare neutrality. Let Germany conquer the rest of the world if they leave us alone. Much like America chose to do until they were attacked.

If that is the mood that is being bred into our young generations today in many ways because of how the media decide what is news and then how they choose to present it when the moment arrives and the fate of the world is in peril I have my doubts we will have the ability to stick at it and do what it takes if there is any kind of easier way out.

Rather concerns me not for now or tomorrow but for the future of our society as and when we face something worse than Covid. Which inevitably we will.

Easy to say I won't be there to see it. I know I likely won't. But that is the problem with a moment of fame. It creates the illusion that only now matters. When tomorrow is lurking in the shadows waiting for you to relax your guard.
 
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