Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Happier news for Greater Manchester today.

Despite the 5000 rise in cases and a rise in the NW that was modest pro rata to the national rise - just 332 - all that rise was in other parts of the NW with places like Knowsley and Liverpool up a bit today and indeed tiny little Knowsley becoming the third borough in the UK to have 10% of its citizens having tested positive by achieving a Pop score of 10,020. Behind Merthyr and Blackburn also in the 10,000 club.

However, in Greater Manchester most places did well and whilst there were a few ups and downs nothing much changed overall.

Five boroughs under 100. Several others only just over it, A better day for Stockport. Manchester up a tad to 247 - the highest - but nobody else higher than 126.

All in all GM fell - but don't get too excited it was by just 3.

But given the fact the NW as a region went up by more than London did and at 3329 today was just 747 behind London - the only other region that is above the NW in numbers now - the better numbers in GM versus the rest of the NW today meant a big fall in the % of the NW total from yesterdays 36.7% to just 33.0%

Greater Manchester seems to have achieved a plateau of cases at the moment with the last 4 day - despite UK numbers going up and down a fair bit - being:- 1074 - 1003 - 1100 and 1097 today.
 
Healdplace said:
That makes sense. And I agree about the deaths. Sadly well over what I had hoped we could be keeping it down to but likely inevitable once we decided to let what will no doubt come to be known as Killer Christmas to occur.

Though I know it would likely have been impossible to entirely prevent. Even had we tried that I don't think we did anywhere near enough.

How many visited their oldies as 'they have not seen us all year' and as a consequence will now not see them at all ever again.

I know how hard a decision this was about Christmas but this was tragically so predictable and was predicted - in here and no doubt lots of other places.

So I fear that will never reduce the sadness that we sleepwalked into a a tragedy worse than it needs to have been because the outcome was never in doubt.
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what did the rest do Europe do for Xmas?
 
marco said:
well the mrs was telling me the other day a house up the road had a very large xmas party and then a new years party probably more than 100 people in and out during that week,the reply they gave when questioned was get fucked we do what we want, the owner of that house is now in hospital being vented
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Ironic that the very people who are now trying to save his life were the very people he was sticking two fingers up to last month. Maybe if he and is ilk knew that if they engage in criminal acts then NHS treatment would be withheld then the number of illegal gatherings might reduce.
 
Healdplace said:
973 England hospital deaths - down from the last two Wednesdays both over 1000.

A flicker of light here despite the horrifically high numbers still. Signs of us plateauing.

!38 from the NW though Well up on the higher total numbers from the past two Wednesdays.

First hint that the NW problems are starting to translate into higher deaths.

Just as they take vaccines away. And why I was concerned. As it has been clear that the NW was a problem area at present where cases were not falling quite as much as they are elsewhere. Especially in Greater Manchester,

I hope the likes of Andy Burnham point this out and ask why they do not take the vaccine from Yorkshire where cases keep falling to near record low levels yet have been having the most supplies of any region.
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Looking at the latest 7 day average cases by Local Authority it actually looks like it's Yorkshire which is seeing the growth in cases (rate increasing in Sheffield, Barnsley, Rotherham, Leeds etc), so using that logic of targeting the problems areas there should be a shift from the North West (7 day case rate dropping) to Yorkshire !

I think the objective should be to ensure that people in the most vulnerable groups get their vaccinations at the same time across the country, as far as possible.
 
unicorn said:
Looking at the latest 7 day average cases by Local Authority it actually looks like it's Yorkshire which is seeing the growth in cases (rate increasing in Sheffield, Barnsley, Rotherham, Leeds etc), so using that logic of targeting the problems areas there should be a shift from the North West (7 day case rate dropping) to Yorkshire !

I think the objective should be to ensure that people in the most vulnerable groups get their vaccinations at the same time across the country, as far as possible.
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I would agree but is not what is happening, As Granada Reports showed just now. A GP in Davyhulme has no vaccine to give any of the vulnerable she should be using it on and only knows it has been reallocated.

Hope nobody in here has relatives in that area. Or the others it will apply to not just next week either by the sounds of it.

She says it make them feel like they are being punished for doing their job too well,

And if any of you are in tier 5 of this roll out you are the ones facing bigger waits as next in line after mid February and not only facing low supplies but calls for other groups to be escalated such as teachers.

I have no problem with that as they should be protected and I started out as a teacher myself many moons ago. But the 60 - 70s are going to face longer waits it seems as price for this policy and they might not be happy certainly given the reports everywhere of younger people being offered jabs unexpectedly.>

Fairness and balance of risk is difficult to get right but it will play into the hands of the anti vaxxers if it looks like policy is being made on demand.
 
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hilts said:
As they didn’t have Boris in charge spent a lot more on presents for the elderly than us I would have thought. What a ridiculous question.
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what the hell are you on about? Why is it ridiculous to ask what lockdown happened iN Europe over Xmas?
 
artfuldodger said:
And bearing in mind schools will be the first thing to reopen, nothing else will open before March 8th
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Yep. I’m not convinced they will be back by then either. Seems to me that saying April is too far away so they will get to the date when they review and announce the roadmap and then move it again. Saying that my wife is a Teacher and they have kids in anyway so they are half open in some areas. She has been given some home Covid testing kits today too and has to test twice a week so at least that’s something. It’s a pity that there has been little focus on testing at home. A quick 15 min saliva test for kids every Sunday would at least maybe sift out a few asymptomatic cases.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Same happened to a family from up the road from my parents n’all.

They had people in and out from Christmas Eve to New Year’s Day (days longer than even the 5 day Christmas the govt were originally going to give us). I believe Police were called a few times by a few different people... the woman from that house is now dead! She took ill in early Jan and two weeks later died in hospital.

They had that same attitude, didn’t give a shit, wouldn’t have mattered if the govt had fully cancelled Christmas as they’d still gone ahead and just done it all anyway.
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Everybody's fault but their own of course
 
kaz7 said:
He wants schools open first , he has died on that hill all along , JVT is explaing about kids and covid , they dont really get ill but they do transmit it

Boris being picked up on giving dates , he never learns
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At least they shouldn’t be giving to their grannies from around April or the grannies won’t get Ill they do.

They cannot risk a third wave though, even if that is younger people as I read today that whilst not many are dying, younger people are spending a long time in hospital when they are admitted.

That will finish people off if they relax and then have to Lockdown again. Last August there were a couple of weeks where Warrington had less than 10 cases. That went to over 1000 in just weeks.
 
Healdplace said:
973 England hospital deaths - down from the last two Wednesdays both over 1000.

A flicker of light here despite the horrifically high numbers still. Signs of us plateauing.

!38 from the NW though Well up on the higher total numbers from the past two Wednesdays.

First hint that the NW problems are starting to translate into higher deaths.

Just as they take vaccines away. And why I was concerned. As it has been clear that the NW was a problem area at present where cases were not falling quite as much as they are elsewhere. Especially in Greater Manchester,

I hope the likes of Andy Burnham point this out and ask why they do not take the vaccine from Yorkshire where cases keep falling to near record low levels yet have been having the most supplies of any region.
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Now cleaning a couple of wards at our local to get reading for electives to happen in a fortnight. They expect admissions to decline but death rates to keep fairly high for next 2-4 weeks. Flickers of light as you say.
 
If this is indeed true, then no wonder EU leaders are concerned:

‘The EU ordered 80m doses of AstraZeneca’s vaccine by the end of March but the Anglo-Swedish company has said it can only deliver 31m doses, with deliveries in the following quarter also likely to be 50% lower.’
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Yep. I’m not convinced they will be back by then either. Seems to me that saying April is too far away so they will get to the date when they review and announce the roadmap and then move it again. Saying that my wife is a Teacher and they have kids in anyway so they are half open in some areas. She has been given some home Covid testing kits today too and has to test twice a week so at least that’s something. It’s a pity that there has been little focus on testing at home. A quick 15 min saliva test for kids every Sunday would at least maybe sift out a few asymptomatic cases.
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Aren’t the home kits, is that what they call lateral flow, still quite unreliable or have they been improved yet?
 
Nick_1985 said:
Everybody's fault but their own of course
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My Sister knows them and has told me that one of the grandchildren (a kid) has taken it really badly, worried that she might have been the one who took the virus round there that killed her Nan. She probably had no say at all and was probably just told she was going round there, because, “nobody’s telling my kids can’t see their Nan at Christmas”.
 
England hospital data last 24 hours:

Another good day here.

Patients down 1491 in day to 30, 846. That is 3040 fewer than 7 days ago.



Summary of regions:- before brackets numbers in last 24 hours (in bracket up/down in week)

East down 113 to 3811 (down 257).... London down 513 to 6272. (down 1316)...Midlands down 225 to 5940 (down 410)...NE/Yorks down 187 to 3654 (down 156)... North West down 82 to 4264 (down 54)....South East down 229 to 4811 (down 586)....South West down 242 to 2094 (down 253)

Everywhere falling day to day and week to week but NW by the least.


Ventilators down 32 in day to 3602. That is is 61 fewer than 7 days ago.

Summary of regions:-

East up 1 to 373 (up 39)...London up 14 to 1172 (down 36)...Midlands up 1 to 673 (up 58)... NE/Yorks down 17 to 319 (down 9)...North West down 1 to 387 (same)...South East down 18 to 475 (down 42)...South West down 12 to 201 (down 11)

Again mostly falls with NW behind the pace of these but falling too


Added to the case numbers this is good news and death numbers will surely start to follow.
 
Just heard my auntie Mary has tested positive today. She is 85 and suffers from dementia. Had the vaccine 4 days ago but I think she may have already had it before receiving the vaccine. Can anyone confirm this could be the case?
 
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