Political relations between UK-EU

[BobKowalski]

The WHO are wank.

Who are you...?

 

[meltonblue]

Even more so as Oxford/Astra Zeneca is being manufactured under licence round the world, with Serum in India as the biggest vaccine producer globally. It will also be supplied at cost in perpetuity to poorer countries at the insistence of the UK government.

It was at the insistence of Oxford wasn’t it?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

The WHO have a dam cheek saying the UK gov shoukd just vaccinate the top four vunerable groups then ease off. We paid for the development and placed our order before most others. we have also pledged much much more than any other country in the EU to the covax global vaccination programme. My Tax paid for that vaccine, being mid 50s i am at risk the same as everyother uk person not vaccinated. There would be uproar if the UK gave vaccines away to other countries before all of us here have had both doses.

The other issue with this is that the developed countries in question that are supposedly hoarding the vaccine are the ones that have been hardest hit and have had to deal with it for the longest. Sure there are some developing countries that have also been hit hard, particularly in central and south America and Iran, but how can anyone blame Italy, France, Spain or the UK from wanting to immunise their own population first? It's like the captain of a sinking ship being accused of hoarding all the lifeboats. The reality is that the majority of the developing world have been nowhere near as badly hit by the pandemic because there's not the same movement of people.

Of course they're all free to use the Chinese vaccine, which I'm sure will be donated willingly by the government whose inaction and coverup started the whole thing in the first place. But as usual, the WHO seems to have very little criticism in that direction.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Only for research purposes.

Pete Townsend and Chris Langham have formed a book club.

First title for review is the paedophile guide to love and pleasure.

 

[Tb1981]

Only for research purposes.

I research porn online.....honestly I’m not a wanker!

 

[denislawsbackheel]

The WHO have a dam cheek saying the UK gov shoukd just vaccinate the top four vunerable groups then ease off. We paid for the development and placed our order before most others. we have also pledged much much more than any other country in the EU to the covax global vaccination programme. My Tax paid for that vaccine, being mid 50s i am at risk the same as everyother uk person not vaccinated. There would be uproar if the UK gave vaccines away to other countries before all of us here have had both doses.

Really?

AstraZeneca receives $1 billion in U.S. funding for Oxford University coronavirus vaccine

AstraZeneca has agreed to initially supply at least 400 million doses of Oxford University's coronavirus vaccine and secured total manufacturing capacity to produce 1 billion doses.

www.cnbc.com

 

[jaseirai]

The stifling bureaucracy of the EU has been ignored, and it's now, when serious consequences have ensued, that the inefficiency of it is starkly displayed.
We're seeing some serious hoop jumping on here, and dates being claimed as irrelevant, which is laughable, as the producers seem to be being accused of
not waiting until the EU made its fucking mind up.
The criminal negligent that is Von de Leyen is getting serious stick, her past record of incompetence has resurrected itself.
Still, the important thing is we did it right, we've vaccinated about 12% the EU around 2%, thank fuck we got out.

She has quite a record of fucking things up

COVID: The “Angel Maker” of Brussels - Briefings For Britain

If there is one thing EU citizens deserve after COVID, it is justice, especially after the complete failure of its political class in this crisis.

briefingsforbritain.co.uk

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

The triggering of Article 16 (albeit briefly) by the EU is a huge bonus for the UK. The EU has become increasingly hysterical over the last week in trying to somehow take vaccine supplies away from the UK in order to try to mitigate the almighty fuck up they have made of vaccine procurement. This culminated with them thinking that using the nuclear option of enforcing a hard border in Ireland for no obvious reason would be a great means of pressurising the UK. That worked out well, didn't it?

They have now rowed back and they also appear to have given up trying to prevent legitimate orders of vaccines being shipped to the UK. Going forward, they have completely lost any credibility if they try to use the GFA agreement and an open border as a stick to beat the UK government with. Furthermore, if they ever try this trick again then you will see an Act of Parliament to render this part of the withdrawal agreement void.

All in all, not a bad 24 hours with us winning and the Rags drawing too.

 

[Ban-jani]

The triggering of Article 16 (albeit briefly) by the EU is a huge bonus for the UK. The EU has become increasingly hysterical over the last week in trying to somehow take vaccine supplies away from the UK in order to try to mitigate the almighty fuck up they have made of vaccine procurement. This culminated with them thinking that using the nuclear option of enforcing a hard border in Ireland for no obvious reason would be a great means of pressurising the UK. That worked out well, didn't it?

They have now rowed back and they also appear to have given up trying to prevent legitimate orders of vaccines being shipped to the UK. Going forward, they have completely lost any credibility if they try to use the GFA agreement and an open border as a stick to beat the UK government with. Furthermore, if they ever try this trick again then you will see an Act of Parliament to render this part of the withdrawal agreement void.

All in all, not a bad 24 hours with us winning and the Rags drawing too.

Rule Britannia

 

[BobKowalski]

The triggering of Article 16 (albeit briefly) by the EU is a huge bonus for the UK. The EU has become increasingly hysterical over the last week in trying to somehow take vaccine supplies away from the UK in order to try to mitigate the almighty fuck up they have made of vaccine procurement. This culminated with them thinking that using the nuclear option of enforcing a hard border in Ireland for no obvious reason would be a great means of pressurising the UK. That worked out well, didn't it?

They have now rowed back and they also appear to have given up trying to prevent legitimate orders of vaccines being shipped to the UK. Going forward, they have completely lost any credibility if they try to use the GFA agreement and an open border as a stick to beat the UK government with. Furthermore, if they ever try this trick again then you will see an Act of Parliament to render this part of the withdrawal agreement void.

All in all, not a bad 24 hours with us winning and the Rags drawing too.

And lo, peace doth break out upon the land and the people rejoiced...

 

[mcfc1632]

Please yourself mate, but you and others have been completely wrong about
the motives, how would staying in the SM and CU be leaving the EU?
All that claptrap was pushed by the Lib Dems, and remainers' constant
carping about 'Hard Brexit.'
There was no such thing, you're either in or out.

It is that simple

And we had a referendum and then a GE about it to confirm the wishes of the electorate

Really is that simple

 

[GH64]

Really?

AstraZeneca receives $1 billion in U.S. funding for Oxford University coronavirus vaccine

AstraZeneca has agreed to initially supply at least 400 million doses of Oxford University's coronavirus vaccine and secured total manufacturing capacity to produce 1 billion doses.

www.cnbc.com

Our taxes paid for the development of the Oxford vaccine -

From Oxford Uni's 2019/20 accounts
▶ Funding of £31m from the Department of Health & Social Care to support research and clinical trials of Oxford’s COVID-19 vaccine, with a separate global licensing agreement between the University and AstraZeneca for the manufacture of the vaccine.

The US money was to AZ is to gear up production and buy the vaccines that were developed by Oxford with UK government money.
We also pay AZ for the vaccine.

I don't think that that ought to be tricky to get the old noggin around.

 

[Ban-jani]

There was a big fat void to be filled by an orange looking idiot with dodgy hair, step forward ...

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Really?

AstraZeneca receives $1 billion in U.S. funding for Oxford University coronavirus vaccine

AstraZeneca has agreed to initially supply at least 400 million doses of Oxford University's coronavirus vaccine and secured total manufacturing capacity to produce 1 billion doses.

www.cnbc.com

i didnt know that, clearly not as quick on google as you, but it was for manufacture, not development. But I stand by my point UK first as we, paid for the development, bought in advance and approved before everyone else.

 

[smudgedj]

 

[Ban-jani]

Cant wait for the defence from the usual suspects.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

@mancity2012_eamo read this.

Luckily my government and yours are behaving like adults, sadly, the EU are not.

Just to be clear from my last answer to you BJ, when I said our lot were talking to the EU, not your lot, I didn’t mean your government weren’t engaging.

I don’t know the level of influence we have in the EU but I would like to think on matters relating to the NIP and primarily the GFA we have more clout than our size would normally dictate.

I do think the relative silence from your PM while surely engaging in the background with the NI Assembly and also us. was very much the correct action and having us talk to whoever in the EU was the diplomatic way to deal with this.

You know my view that this was not brought about by Brexit but the shambles of the EU response has very much made it so. That was an own goal in my view.

There can be no criticism of the British government in their handling of this that I can see.

I do have several other thoughts on the whole affair that I hope to get the time to put together cohesively in response to @mcfc1632
I haven’t read much of this thread today or caught up on local news either as it’s football day and other commitments but I will get my thoughts together on events.

 

[Chris in London]

The WHO are wank.

They have exceptionally good foresight.

You could even say they can see for miles and miles

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Well there it is in black and white, the UK and the US leading the way in dealing with this awful virus for not only us but the rest of the world. And the EU is shamefully miles behind in funding, still doesnt stop the eu bureaucrats trying to throw their weight arround. Embarassing.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Well there it is in black and white, the UK and the US leading the way in dealing with this awful virus for not only us but the rest of the world. And the EU is shamefully miles behind in funding, still doesnt stop the eu bureaucrats trying to throw their weight arround. Embarassing.

Black and pink.