Political relations between UK-EU

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

Census in 2021 will be very interesting in NI. 2011 showed the split was 48% Protestant and 45% Catholic..... I wonder if a fear of a change is driving the DUP ?

'Catholic majority possible' in NI by 2021

Dr Paul Nolan believes Catholics will outnumber Protestants by the centenary of the creation of NI.

www.bbc.co.uk

I think itll be interesting in that there may well be a change on those %'s....but again, as discussed before, we should move away from the religious/political alliances....over the years it has changed, and moreso following Brexit.

Historically there would have been many better-off/middle class Catholics who (possibly secretly) preferred NI to remain British....both economies have changed significantly...meaning, many of them may no longer fear a potential amalgamation with the RoI.

Also there is an increase of those from a perceived unionist background (im deliberately not saying Protestant) who also no longer fear an increased "Irishness"

I guess what i mean is that the traditional Catholic / Protestant divide no longer truly represents the Nationalist / Unionist divide.

The younger generation are also more secular....both of my kids (16 and 23) insisted they were marked as "no religion" on the census...even though they have both been christened......so there will be many changes like that

 

[stonerblue]

This is a good, if depressing, article. Sometimes it takes an outsider to see things clearly. See if you can identify this forum's Brexit fans individually in it. They've all got their own section. Here's a starter for ten:

"But the British left was so painfully stupid that it couldn’t see it. It, too, was blinded by the fever dream of nationalism. We can build a communist utopia without those evil capitalists from the EU! You fools, the EU is history’s greatest example of what the left can achieve. It is an entire continent where people have healthcare, retirement, education, income, housing, as basic human rights. Karl Marx would be astonished and proud. But that wasn’t good enough for the arrogant, bumbling, astonishingly uneducated, inept, and clueless British left — having built history’s greatest social democratic project, period."


How Britain Became the Dumbest Society in the World | by umair haque | Mar, 2021 | Eudaimonia and Co (eand.co)

I too am surprised at @Rascal 's take on brexit. I would not however label him with any of the tags in the article.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I too am surprised at @Rascal 's take on brexit. I would not however label him with any of the tags in the article.

I was thinking of another to be honest. One who has never left the country.

 

[BobKowalski]

**ahem**

:-)

Yeah, not the best choice of words. Definite yellow card.

 

[aguero93:20]

I think itll be interesting in that there may well be a change on those %'s....but again, as discussed before, we should move away from the religious/political alliances....over the years it has changed, and moreso following Brexit.

Historically there would have been many better-off/middle class Catholics who (possibly secretly) preferred NI to remain British....both economies have changed significantly...meaning, many of them may no longer fear a potential amalgamation with the RoI.

Also there is an increase of those from a perceived unionist background (im deliberately not saying Protestant) who also no longer fear an increased "Irishness"

I guess what i mean is that the traditional Catholic / Protestant divide no longer truly represents the Nationalist / Unionist divide.

The younger generation are also more secular....both of my kids (16 and 23) insisted they were marked as "no religion" on the census...even though they have both been christened......so there will be many changes like that

The higher that 'no religion' number gets in NI the better, hard to be sectarian in a place where the majority don't give a fuck about religion in my experience.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Another article from the same author. All very dystopian and according to him inevitable.
https://eand.co/america-and-britain-are-teaching-the-world-how-societies-implode-7dc22a86278a
Hopefully he's wrong about the inevitability of our collective demise and there's still time for us to get new leadership who can pull us out of the shit, which means swallowing our pride and attempting to negotiate rejoining the Single Market and Customs Union as an interim step to rejoining the EU in 10 or 20 years. We will have to go through some serious shit first though to make people realise what we've done.

I found it profoundly sad reading that article, even if it is deliberately extreme. When on earth will we get the leadership at U.K. level capable of winding us back from this. Where are the voices that are being truthful about what we have done. Where are the new generation of Ken Clarks, Hesaltines, Blairs?

Maybe an exceptional woman somewhere will emerge with the capability to turn us round.

Right this moment though, I cannot see anything other than these bastards mulching the country with lie after lie after lie after lie until none of us can see what is wrong With this cesspit of a society we are descending inexorably into. Who will defeat them? Labour? Don’t make me laugh.

 

[BobKowalski]

This regaining sovereignty and taking back control involves a lot of handing both on to other institutions doesn't it?

Seems to. Yesterday there was a meeting in Washington arranged by Dublin involving EU and the Friends of Ireland Caucus to discuss Northern Ireland. The UK was not involved. We didn’t get an invite to discuss a UK sovereign country.

Mad when you think about it.

 

[stonerblue]

I was thinking of another to be honest. One who has never left the country.

Ha. Socialist my arse

 

[bluethrunthru]

Seems to. Yesterday there was a meeting in Washington arranged by Dublin involving EU and the Friends of Ireland Caucus to discuss Northern Ireland. The UK was not involved. We didn’t get an invite to discuss a UK sovereign country.

Mad when you think about it.

That will be why Downing Street have announced they are sending an envoy to speak to the Biden administration ( not Biden himself you'll note ) to "reassure them" over our moves on the extensions and international law.

Mixture of FOMO, face saving and trying to look relevant in that move........

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I was thinking of another to be honest. One who has never left the country.

Who is this whopper?