Political relations between UK-EU

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Ancient Citizen said:
No we won't, I think some folk cannot grasp that those ideas and days are gone. We have no need to be paying into anything now to be able to trade,
be that full EU membership or EFTA. Why on earth, would we be 'Working back'
to anything, and spending years doing so? We're out.
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You pay to avoid the non tariff barriers. If you are happy with trade barriers and restrictions to trade then you don’t pay and accept suboptimal market conditions.

The other factor is that we do pay. It’s just different. Instead of the Govt paying to remove these barriers, individual businesses pay in terms of increased costs, administration and even loss of markets in some sectors and the Govt also pays for costs in customs ie personal, infrastructure, red tape etc.

Right now this country will pay more, to trade less and at greater cost. There is not one single economic argument that can be made for the route we have taken. Not one, which is why we will struggle to maintain this position.

You can make a non economic argument, but you have no economic rationale that makes sense. Which is why, Norway and Switzerland pay to be part of the Single Market. It’s cheaper and more efficient.
 
Ban-jani said:
You’ve misunderstood me again haha.

I didn’t mean you were angry at Ric, it was me!

You came back and added “piss poor comment” when I was joking about the entire thing.
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How about not joking? It doesn't seem to help, and is rarely funny.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
No we won't, I think some folk cannot grasp that those ideas and days are gone. We have no need to be paying into anything now to be able to trade,
be that full EU membership or EFTA. Why on earth, would we be 'Working back'
to anything, and spending years doing so? We're out.
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Because hardly anybody from from the government down thinks the arrangement we have, especially the Irish part, is either finished or perfect. You seem to be the only person either in this thread or from anywhere else that thinks everything is done and dusted nothing left to work on.
While I’m more than happy to debate where we are going or should go. Debating whether this is the finish point is pointless because it just isn’t. We haven’t even got to sorting out the services deal yet.
 
Ban-jani said:
I’ve no idea how people have managed it in lockdown to be honest.

I wanted to do dry Jan but failed immediately
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Heineken 0.0%

Wasn't... great, but it tricked my brain into thinking I was having a few beers. Better than Brewdog Punk AF 0.5%. That shit tasted like liquid earwax.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Heineken 0.0%

Wasn't... great, but it tricked my brain into thinking I was having a few beers. Better than Brewdog Punk AF 0.5%. That shit tasted like liquid earwax.
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Not for me mate, I don’t struggle with missing the taste, it’s boredom in lockdown being sober on a Friday and Saturday night.
 
Ban-jani said:
I’ve no idea how people have managed it in lockdown to be honest.

I wanted to do dry Jan but failed immediately
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I’ve drank on just four occasions since the first lockdown last March: birthday, the day lockdown ended, Christmas Day and New Year’s Eve.

In normal times I go for a couple at the local on a Friday after work and out all day and sometimes night for City games on a weekend.

I’m like a new man!
 
hgblue said:
Great news. Rumour has it Biden will take the US into TPP also, so looks like a free trade deal with the US is incoming.
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I can see a lot of attraction in being part of a genuine and 'somewhat more modern' trading bloc.

The EU is so bureaucratic that I can see in years to come there will be better terms to come for the UK with the EU - if negotiated between blocs

Great thing is we will still be clear of the superstate project and avoid the mess that will come forwards - win - win
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
I was reading last week that Britain’s tech industry is growing at six times the rate of Britain’s general GDP, and Manchester is the hub for this. Manchester is the fastest growing tech city in Europe (overtaking the second which was also a British city, Cambridge, with Liverpool also growing faster than most).

There will be a lot of opportunities for Britain, and specifically Manchester, for global reach for this as there is going to be a lot of countries wanting a bit of it.

I always thought that in the EU, Britain was basically London as part of the EU, and the rest of the country were a fringe. But now we need to be Britain in the world, not just London in the EU in the world, and it would make sense for the economy of Britain to drive places like Glasgow Manchester Birmingham as well as the small capitals Edinburgh Belfast and Cardiff forward with specificity. So while the North West seems to be tech, there could be scope for other economic sectors to grow in other areas.

Make Britain a place that the rest of the world want to work with for a variety of reasons.
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All good comments

Some of the Remainers take solace in the immediate/short-term friction issues, but - because of the lack of strategic planning - for which the Remainer led government between 2016-2019 shoulder a lot of blame - such issues are not a surprise.

Things could shake out very well for us once people and businesses start to look to the future and stop looking back to when we were EU members

But, as a nation, we will be net better off being out of the EU anyway by just being increasingly distancing from the problems that are inevitable
 
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