Political relations between UK-EU

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BobKowalski said:
It won’t, no one is seriously suggesting it would are they? We have trade agreements via the EU rollovers with over half of the countries anyway.

No harm in joining the thing, it will make Brexiteers feel better, but to quote Henig it is ‘of marginal economic benefit given that value chains of production remain mostly regional and provisions are limited in services and non-tariff barriers.’

It’s a collection of similar sized countries, so politically it may be useful, collective voice on trade issues, that sort of thing.
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Crack on Liz, it’s a yes from Bob
 
Meanwhile back in the real world...from the FT.

‘UK’s £35bn fashion industry warns of “decimation” from Brexit - big names sign open letter to Johnson urging action. Many of 50,000 SMEs on the rack due to VAT, customs and work permit issues. The lack of a mobility section in the deal also causing issues.

So where is the British government in all this? Well, pretty impotent really - it just issues statements saying it is working with industry, it wants to "seize new opportunities" and, oh, it has helplines that it spent money on...but then what else can it say?

There are some things in the UK's gift that the industry is asking for - like putting garment workers on the occupation shortage list, but on the really big stuff - customs, VAT, free movement - well, that's what we asked for. We wanted to be Canada...now we are.’
 
BobKowalski said:
Also more fishy news...

‘British Shellfish Exports Banned Indefinitely From The EU - PoliticsHome‘

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Exclusive: British Shellfish Exports Banned Indefinitely From The EU — PoliticsHome

The European Union has told the UK shellfish industry that thousands of tonnes of oyster, mussel, clam, cockle and scallop exports are banned from the bloc indefinitely.
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any minute now John Redwood will be tweeting that because him and his lot denied this could happen the British people should be eating yet more British produce that they didn't a month ago. A not very subtle attempt to make this about patriotism and it being the british peoples fault
 
BobKowalski said:
Also more fishy news...

‘British Shellfish Exports Banned Indefinitely From The EU - PoliticsHome‘

apple.news

Exclusive: British Shellfish Exports Banned Indefinitely From The EU — PoliticsHome

The European Union has told the UK shellfish industry that thousands of tonnes of oyster, mussel, clam, cockle and scallop exports are banned from the bloc indefinitely.
apple.news apple.news
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I did say last week that given the demand from EU restaurants for UK shellfish - I saw Dublin prawns on the menu in Menorca - there was some incentive for the EU to sort this, but (a) Covid means restaurant demand is not there (perhaps we should not have got all the vaccine....) and (b) there will be EU shellfish producers looking to expand their business.
 
Vic said:
I did say last week that given the demand from EU restaurants for UK shellfish - I saw Dublin prawns on the menu in Menorca - there was some incentive for the EU to sort this, but (a) Covid means restaurant demand is not there (perhaps we should not have got all the vaccine....) and (b) there will be EU shellfish producers looking to expand their business.
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Just not going to happen Vic. To change the rules for our fish exports will mean changing the rules for everyone and I can't see that happening.
 

smudgedj said:
Some epic trolling here or stupidity

Von der Leyens spokesman says that 'mistakes happen..only the Pope is infallible'
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Wasn't it "That was the week that was" (it was certainly David Frost - the original) that said "Last week the Pope had said he was not infallible. Today he said that was wrong, and he was infallible"? I won't begin to think whether it was a wise thing to bring papal infallibility into it now...
 
bluethrunthru said:
Just not going to happen Vic. To change the rules for our fish exports will mean changing the rules for everyone and I can't see that happening.
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I hope you're wrong for the sake of a whole UK industry. I'd be interested in what people think we might offer the EU to bend its rules, or are we just content to fail the "acid test" of the success of Brexit (copyright Farage)?
 
bluethrunthru said:
any minute now John Redwood will be tweeting that because him and his lot denied this could happen the British people should be eating yet more British produce that they didn't a month ago. A not very subtle attempt to make this about patriotism and it being the british peoples fault
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There will be a lot of happy shellfish that will die of old age with their families rather than being lobbed into a pan of boiling water or chucked on to a hot plate.
Every cloud...
 
Vic said:
I hope you're wrong for the sake of a whole UK industry. I'd be interested in what people think we might offer the EU to bend its rules, or are we just content to fail the "acid test" of the success of Brexit (copyright Farage)?
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That will depend on what the can source from elsewhere is my guess. Oddly enough the big bonanza could be for EU fleets if they can find things to catch in EU waters that they can eat in the EU - if so British fishing can put the "closed" sign on the door.
 
metalblue said:
It’s hard to say. We don’t really know what brexit may have cost the UK (even harder with Covid in the mix). But don’t sniff at the CPTPP, the original TPP was estimated to be worth $125bn to Japan’s economy by 2030 and in terms of GDP with the UK joining the CPTPP is $2-3trn larger than the EU.

There are challenges to the UK joining not least that it may be in direct conflict with the brexit deal in some areas but look it’s interesting and it gives us a voice in APAC region. China is muted to be considering joining (although some of the rules make this complex) and possibly the US may rejoin if Biden can convince them.
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mooted....

The bit I look forward to is the UK's agreement that we will "fully comply with high-standard obligations".
Britain to apply to join CPTPP Asia-Pacific free trade bloc | The Japan Times
 
Vic said:
mooted....

The bit I look forward to is the UK's agreement that we will "fully comply with high-standard obligations".
Britain to apply to join CPTPP Asia-Pacific free trade bloc | The Japan Times
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Does seem odd that they champion leaving a trade bloc that lives over the road so we can free ourselves of its rules and regs and further champion joining another trade bloc thats on the other side of the world and signing up to its rules and regs - and thats what Brexit was about?
 
west didsblue said:
There will be a lot of happy shellfish that will die of old age with their families rather than being lobbed into a pan of boiling water or chucked on to a hot plate.
Every cloud...
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Latest "This fishing life" is awful with crabbers out of Padstow realising what Brexit in a lockdown means. Irish shellfish boom? (Perhaps with Cornish crews as guest workers...)
 
the view from the states - wouldn't fancy being a Tory MP in a fishing constituency or one where the biggest employer is a fish processors....or haulage of fish products and shellfish right now. What they need to do is form a Recovery Group. Thats what they do isn't it splinter and form like and FRG or something?

www.nbcnews.com

They voted for Brexit. Now many British fishermen feel betrayed.

Fishermen complain of broken government promises, while exporters say they are choking on red tape.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
journolud said:
And with all due respect right back at you, you’ve misunderstood the motive behind my comments and taken a selective part of them to make your point.

I think it’s a reasonable question to ask whether joining the Pacific club will give us as much economic benefit as leaving the EU takes away. Convince me that it isn’t window dressing
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What?

"Convince me that it isn’t window dressing"

Why would I give a single fuck regarding making that effort
 
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