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Marvin said:
I am largely optimistic too but these are vaccines against the original virus so we have to operate in such a way that transmission is not allowed to take off again in the UK.
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I agree with this but it's hard not to pray hard and be optimistic.
That said I'm extremely fearful that one of these mutations wont be picked up by the vaccine and leave us essentially starting the vaccination process all over again with an updated vaccine.

Like everyone I am sick to death of this absolute misery.
 
HolisticJim said:
I agree with this but it's hard not to pray hard and be optimistic.
That said I'm extremely fearful that one of these mutations wont be picked up by the vaccine and leave us essentially starting the vaccination process all over again with an updated vaccine.

Like everyone I am sick to death of this absolute misery.
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is it possible to model the potential variations of a virus using data science/analytics etc. or are the possibilities so endless we wouldn't be able to map it?
 
I know it's the Mail but there is a report on their website which says case numbers in South Africa are falling and that some of their lockdown measures have been lifted.
They will be starting their vaccination programme in the next couple of weeks and have obtained a million doses of the AZ version from India. Front line Healthcare workers will be first to receive the jabs.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
is it possible to model the potential variations of a virus using data science/analytics etc. or are the possibilities so endless we wouldn't be able to map it?
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I've no idea pal. I wondered if everyone's second dose could be an adjusted shot which counters the south african/Kent variation. I think those are the same and the most concerning from a vaccination point.
 
HolisticJim said:
I've no idea pal. I wondered if everyone's second dose could be an adjusted shot which counters the south african/Kent variation. I think those are the same and the most concerning from a vaccination point.
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Once the virus sequence was known (which was fairly early on) it took Moderna 2 days to create their vaccine. I would imagine constant tweaking is an option.
 
ultimateharold said:
Once the virus sequence was known (which was fairly early on) it took Moderna 2 days to create their vaccine. I would imagine constant tweaking is an option.
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I guess my question more generally is can we use analytics etc. to create probabilities on different mutations based on what the current variants are doing and modify vaccines to anticipate the most likely potential mutations and stop them off from evading the vaccine...
 
HolisticJim said:
I've no idea pal. I wondered if everyone's second dose could be an adjusted shot which counters the south african/Kent variation. I think those are the same and the most concerning from a vaccination point.
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I guess my few concerns have been/are:
the effect of provoking mutations by vaccinating someone who's Covid positive, essentially exposing the virus that's already working in a host to the defence mechanism before its had time to prime the immune system.
the ability to adapt vaccines and;
whether people who have had a vaccine will be able to have an updated shot or whether because they've had one shot an updated shot won't work or cause problems.

These are just thoughts that I've had about the vaccines, not saying there's any truth to them.
 
ultimateharold said:
Once the virus sequence was known (which was fairly early on) it took Moderna 2 days to create their vaccine. I would imagine constant tweaking is an option.
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I get that but the issue is having to re-start the vaccination process only to get 10m in once again and another new varient.

Worrying that we could be playing wack a mole with it for.... A long time.
 
HolisticJim said:
I get that but the issue is having to re-start the vaccination process only to get 10m in once again and another new varient.

Worrying that we could be playing wack a mole with it for.... A long time.
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I get you there, but it's 'JUST THE FLU' (sorry), in that regard, where it's constantly changed vaccines. No doubt it could go on a while. It was more a comment that they can be changed quickly, and by existing rules, not require full testing and regulation each time. Hopefully the first batch protect enough to make it not need too many fresh jabs. It wouldn't be ideal, but annually would be a result imo.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
I guess my question more generally is can we use analytics etc. to create probabilities on different mutations based on what the current variants are doing and modify vaccines to anticipate the most likely potential mutations and stop them off from evading the vaccine...
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The scientists are already working on this. Based on what I have heard on the radio, when vaccines are developed and adapted, this is usually to tackle the imminent threat and projected mutations. This is partly why the vaccines seem to be effective against a range of mutations.
 
There is a report on a study on 5 Live that found 88% of people who contracted the virus kept antibodies for at least six months.

The U.K. Biobank Study was informed by weekly blood samples from people had had Covid
www.ukbiobank.ac.uk

COVID-19 hub

UK Biobank has taken swift strides to help tackle the global pandemic by undertaking two major initiatives. Coronavirus antibody study and Health data available to tackle COVID-19. First result
www.ukbiobank.ac.uk www.ukbiobank.ac.uk
 
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Marvin said:
I am largely optimistic too but these are vaccines against the original virus so we have to operate in such a way that transmission is not allowed to take off again in the UK.
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so we vaccinate people but keep all the restrictions just in case and we effectively just give up on large sectors of our economy such as music, arts hospitality and entertainment forever. They have been sacrificed so far for this virus and some on here think that that should continue presumably in perpetuity to deal with new variants. Which lets be honest are going to keep appearing. Personally i dont think thats a realistic option going forwards. Its easy for those who have no vested interest in those sectors to make such decisions, but it doesnt make it fair.

What I mean by my last statement is that the government during the last economic recession pumped between £400bn and £500bn into the banking sector. Last year they put in £1.5bn into the arts and entertainment sector and very little of that filtered down to individual people and when questioned about the lack of support they told people to retrain.
 
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PannickAtTheDisco said:
I guess my question more generally is can we use analytics etc. to create probabilities on different mutations based on what the current variants are doing and modify vaccines to anticipate the most likely potential mutations and stop them off from evading the vaccine...
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I think it would theoretically be possible - the shape each will form can be modelled.
However whether each could evade is far harder I'd think, and covering a 'potential' may mean it wouldn't work against existing ones.
 
mosssideblue said:
50 people all fined for attending a house party on Bristol.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but these Fuckwits don't give a shit about the lives of others and fines don't seem to be a strong enough deterrent
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For me it would be heavy fines for each person attending, not just the host. Then an even heavier fine for the host. As well as Community Service for the lot of them.

CS is hugely needed at the moment. Households need food delivering, communities need food banks, streets need litter picking and graffiti removing, streets need overgrowth of weeds and street plants cutting down/removing ...

Force the cunts to do these sort of thing. And if they refuse to pay their fines they should be made to do CS for the NHS; hospitals need cleaning and sanitising, PPE sorting out distributing on the front line.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
For me it would be heavy fines for each person attending, not just the host. Then an even heavier fine for the host. As well as Community Service for the lot of them.

CS is hugely needed at the moment. Households need food delivering, communities need food banks, streets need litter picking and graffiti removing, streets need overgrowth of weeds and street plants cutting down/removing ...

Force the cunts to do these sort of thing. And if they refuse to pay their fines they should be made to do CS for the NHS; hospitals need cleaning and sanitising, PPE sorting out distributing on the front line.
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I wouldn't want these twats anywhere near a hospital, goodness knows what they might do.
Probably, many couldn't afford the fines also.

I would like for these scum of society:)
Their faces and names made public and a mandatory police record.

I agree with some form of Cs too, but that which is humiliating, picking up litter and dog shit for example
 
yaaaayy - daughter in bed for 5 days having tested positive and wife same for 3 days and finally our £23bn world beating track and trace has called........ when they rang to speak to our daughter we told them - truthfully - she was in bed exhausted. The response? Oh right and the phone goes down - daughter could be at work or the shops but zero interest shown by track and trace. Then they rang the Mrs 10 mins later and told her to stay at home..........thats VFM right there
 
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