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shevtheblue said:
He's apparently releasing a new trailer next week, i'm so pumped for this film. Hope it's not a let down. I watched WW84 and it was one of the worst films i've seen, they may have killed that character (and actor) for me.
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I'm not sure why "WW 1984" gets such a hard time.

For me, it seems like an interesting curve still along the pathway of 'Diana'. Remember she's seen a LOT of fighting and centuries of war. So, in my mind, for her to take a different path made a lot sense.

I think Patty Jenkins was well aware of her intentions for this film and, sadly, she misread the die-hard canon followers of DC. But I, myself, appreciated 'WW' being able to take a different pathway other than always fighting. The stereotype is that women would rather find another way than succumb to violence.

In time, it may well come to be seen as breakthrough, unappreciated at the time of release.
 
grunge said:
Prepare to be disapointed. then if your not its a bonus.

odds are its going to be a bit shit like most of his films. im not one of those avid Anti Snyder types, Watchman was excellent. but his films usually look stunning, but tend to lack any emotional depth.
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I don't think it's quite fair on Snyder for what happens to his films, once the studio execs get a hold of it. They were extremely guilty for what happened to "BvS" and "JL".

With the upcoming cut, he's had over a year to replace, add and edit the film from what he saw in his mind or improved it from its original concept.

Looking forward to it, myself.
 
Bigga said:
I'm not sure why "WW 1984" gets such a hard time.

For me, it seems like an interesting curve still along the pathway of 'Diana'. Remember she's seen a LOT of fighting and centuries of war. So, in my mind, for her to take a different path made a lot sense.

I think Patty Jenkins was well aware of her intentions for this film and, sadly, she misread the die-hard canon followers of DC. But I, myself, appreciated 'WW' being able to take a different pathway other than always fighting. The stereotype is that women would rather find another way than succumb to violence.

In time, it may well come to be seen as breakthrough, unappreciated at the time of release.
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That's not the problem for me.

Firstly, the premise is ok but the execution is terrible, one of the worst i've seen in a long time. Secondly, there are some weird sentiments creeping into this film and it feels like it's Gadot's world views almost formed onto film. I know it was a homage to the original one, but it was done poorly and the characters used were all clichés with no redeeming features. I didn't just like the first one because of the action scenes, it was well made and they explored the characters really well. This one seemed rushed (it was) and IMHO has took WW back 2 steps.
 
Bigga said:
I don't think it's quite fair on Snyder for what happens to his films, once the studio execs get a hold of it. They were extremely guilty for what happened to "BvS" and "JL".

With the upcoming cut, he's had over a year to replace, add and edit the film from what he saw in his mind or improved it from its original concept.

Looking forward to it, myself.
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Dawn of the Dead - good
300 - good
Watchmen - good
Legend of the guardians - good
Sucker punch - poor
Man of steel - good
300: rise of an empire - poor although he didn't direct it
BvS - ok (imo)

I think he's done pretty well.
 
shevtheblue said:
That's not the problem for me.

Firstly, the premise is ok but the execution is terrible, one of the worst i've seen in a long time. Secondly, there are some weird sentiments creeping into this film and it feels like it's Gadot's world views almost formed onto film. I know it was a homage to the original one, but it was done poorly and the characters used were all clichés with no redeeming features. I didn't just like the first one because of the action scenes, it was well made and they explored the characters really well. This one seemed rushed (it was) and IMHO has took WW back 2 steps.
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I agree with many aspects of your PoV here. The execution IS poor. I didn't like the 80's mall scene, the rescue of the kids scene, nor the unaddressed 'male rape' scene. But, yes, it didn't seem fully fleshed or it felt a little ambitious.

For me, the first film was a bit too cliché and the 'Hades' fight for f*&kin' terrible, in my view.

In the end I found the two films about parity with each other.
 
Bigga said:
I don't think it's quite fair on Snyder for what happens to his films, once the studio execs get a hold of it. They were extremely guilty for what happened to "BvS" and "JL".

With the upcoming cut, he's had over a year to replace, add and edit the film from what he saw in his mind or improved it from its original concept.

Looking forward to it, myself.
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Im talking all his films, not just DC. He is very very good at visuals and flash, story not so much.

Dawn of the Dead:
Enjoyable enough but No emotional kick at all, especially when compared to 28 days later. again this looked stunning

300:
Looked stunning but hardly a story in there.

Sucker Punch:
Looked excellent but it was basically a music video stretched out to a "movie".

Generally when he's working with other peoples content he's better than his own, and probably needs to hire a really decent top notch editor to work along side him.

I'll certainly be giving his cut of Justice league a go to see how it pans out though, but im expecting just a very very long popcorn movie.
 
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Bigga said:
I agree with many aspects of your PoV here. The execution IS poor. I didn't like the 80's mall scene, the rescue of the kids scene, nor the unaddressed 'male rape' scene. But, yes, it didn't seem fully fleshed or it felt a little ambitious.

For me, the first film was a bit too cliché and the 'Hades' fight for f*&kin' terrible, in my view.

In the end I found the two films about parity with each other.
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Yeah, i get the 80s mall scene and it would've been good if it was a slight homage but not just let's do an 80s scene in 2021 and sell it as one. The killer for me
was her using her lasoo on the fucking RPG to pick up those poor Arab kids. I know that would look cool in the 80s when you don't know better and think the world except America is shit, but FFS.
it took me 4 attempts to finish this film, i found it really annoying tbh.

Yeah i can agree the first was also a bit cliché, but i think it was a good introduction for a female character who has parity with someone like Superman. When JL came along, i actually thought she was one of the strongest characters and hopefully Snyder drags that out of her in the re-cut.
 
grunge said:
Im talking all his films, not just DC. He is very very good at visuals and flash, story not so much.

Dawn of the Dead:
Enjoyable enough but No emotional kick at all, especially when compared to 28 days later. again this looked stunning

300:
Looked stunning but hardly a story in there.

Sucker Punch:
Looked excellent but it was basically a music video stretched out to a "movie".

Generally when he's working with other peoples content he's better than his own, and probably needs to hire a really decent top notch editor to work along side him.

I'll certainly be giving his cut of Justice league a go to see how it pans out though, but im expecting just a very very long popcorn movie.
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But that's what Superhero movies are, aren't they? Maybe the Nolan stuff aside, you pretty much expect to sit there and be entertained. The Whedon one wasn't that entertaining.
 
shevtheblue said:
He's apparently releasing a new trailer next week, i'm so pumped for this film. Hope it's not a let down. I watched WW84 and it was one of the worst films i've seen, they may have killed that character (and actor) for me.
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All the recent DC films have been horrendous, Shazam aside.
 
Just watched the Fast 9 trailer.

Not even sorry, it looks brilliant!
 
shevtheblue said:
But that's what Superhero movies are, aren't they? Maybe the Nolan stuff aside, you pretty much expect to sit there and be entertained. The Whedon one wasn't that entertaining.
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To an extent yes, but some films give you that emotional connection to the characters. others don't. I just tend to not get any emotional links with the Snyder films ( and most of the modern DC movies ) .

Agreed The Whedon Justice league wasn't good at all but it was some strange middle ground where he tried to make a film using a lot of existing footage and script. so never really felt right, it was torn in 2 directions. the original snyder script being dark ( as they usually are in the DC world ) are mixed with Whedon's quick quips etc.

That being said, When you watch the Marvel movies you do feel attached to the characters at lot more in the most part ( Captain Marvel im looking at you! ) . Or I do at least. there's no way I would have sat through a near 10 year story arc if I didn't.

DC wise there TVerse ( Early Arrow+Flash, The Titans ) is better for it than there movieverse at the moment. I hope it changes, I really do as Sup's was my childhood go to super hero.
 
Bigga said:
I'm not sure why "WW 1984" gets such a hard time.

For me, it seems like an interesting curve still along the pathway of 'Diana'. Remember she's seen a LOT of fighting and centuries of war. So, in my mind, for her to take a different path made a lot sense.

I think Patty Jenkins was well aware of her intentions for this film and, sadly, she misread the die-hard canon followers of DC. But I, myself, appreciated 'WW' being able to take a different pathway other than always fighting. The stereotype is that women would rather find another way than succumb to violence.

In time, it may well come to be seen as breakthrough, unappreciated at the time of release.
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I thought it was terrible, sorry mate, and im a fan of superhero films! Main villain was so dull, and I love the actor, set pieces very, very corny and the overwhelming sentiment in her speech at the end was comically trite... sorry man! Not to mention the Cheetah character. So bad. I enjoyed the first one too btw, just thought this flopped every single landing.
 
shevtheblue said:
But that's what Superhero movies are, aren't they? Maybe the Nolan stuff aside, you pretty much expect to sit there and be entertained. The Whedon one wasn't that entertaining.
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Sorry, I've got say Nolan is the biggest myth in the game!

Where Snyder might be bit simplistic with his writing, but delivers on visuals, Nolan over complicates his writing and delivers poor translation in visuals.

I find him terrible and I'm really reluctant to watch any film directed by him as I ALWAYS regret it after!!
 
twosips said:
I thought it was terrible, sorry mate, and im a fan of superhero films! Main villain was so dull, and I love the actor, set pieces very, very corny and the overwhelming sentiment in her speech at the end was comically trite... sorry man! Not to mention the Cheetah character. So bad. I enjoyed the first one too btw, just thought this flopped every single landing.
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No, that's fair enough.

I like when someone tries to do something different with a character, I think.

It's probably why I don't mind when genders/ race can be reversed/ replaced.

There's always an interesting slant with it.

I mean I wonder if Snyder/ whomever would be brave enough to introduce 'Calvin Ellis' into the fray and buck the trend through the multiverse?
 
I’ve just ordered The Shining on blu-ray. I already have it on the same format but I never realised there’s a 144 minute original cut.
 
super_city_si said:
Haha yes. I thought it was light hearted fun.
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grunge said:
Agreed, not sure if its just the fact I rate Zach Levi as an actor but It was a decent light hearted movie.
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I didn't hate it, just thought it was ok. I get it was aimed at a certain audience, but i think they over-simplified a lot on purpose. A bit like they did with Aquaman, which was DAFT.
 
grunge said:
To an extent yes, but some films give you that emotional connection to the characters. others don't. I just tend to not get any emotional links with the Snyder films ( and most of the modern DC movies ) .

Agreed The Whedon Justice league wasn't good at all but it was some strange middle ground where he tried to make a film using a lot of existing footage and script. so never really felt right, it was torn in 2 directions. the original snyder script being dark ( as they usually are in the DC world ) are mixed with Whedon's quick quips etc.

That being said, When you watch the Marvel movies you do feel attached to the characters at lot more in the most part ( Captain Marvel im looking at you! ) . Or I do at least. there's no way I would have sat through a near 10 year story arc if I didn't.

DC wise there TVerse ( Early Arrow+Flash, The Titans ) is better for it than there movieverse at the moment. I hope it changes, I really do as Sup's was my childhood go to super hero.
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I think Snyder's style is to overpower you with visuals, it works sometimes. Although i watched a YouTube breakdown of the comparison of why Avengers worked and why JL failed and it was more storytelling than visuals. Hopefully he can recreate some scenes that give some depth to characters and relationships that haven't been there.

Titans has been great, i also liked Doom Patrol which was the spin off from Titans.

My favourite character that i wish could have a proper movie is Silver Surfer, the animated series of his was great but i just don't think him and Galactus transfer well to live action.
 
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