Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Blue and still suffering]

Get a test, you may have Covid, feeling like you have been hit by a truck was exactly my first symptom.

No feeling a lot better now, the leaflet they give you explains that and from speaking to others who had the same injection they had similar experiences

 

[unicorn]

EDIT - And now a story on the BBC claims that the PM said that "The government's plan to move out of lockdown will be "cautious but irreversible", which is quite clearly NOT what was said (see the original item in The Guardian if you are interested). Do they employ clowns at the BBC News these days or do they just twist what was said deliberately?

I'd have said clowns.

But...

The PM's exact words in a very clear interview this morning (video on BBC website) were indeed "What we want to see progress that is cautious but irreversible". Even repeated it.

Think the word I'd have expected was "permanent" but "irreversible" but that's me being picky.

 

[worsleyweb]

I'd have said clowns.

But...

The PM's exact words in a very clear interview this morning (video on BBC website) were indeed "What we want to see progress that is cautious but irreversible". Even repeated it.

Think the word I'd have expected was "permanent" but "irreversible" but that's me being picky.

Semantics - clear what he was saying.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths

231 - with 16 from North West. Down from 313 and 23 last Monday.

Always low (Sunday) data on Mondays so it will go up mid week.

But a good start to the week.

The age range data is encouraging too. More in a moment.

 

[unicorn]

Semantics - clear what he was saying.

Very clear. But the media, particularly the BBC, will twist any word or phrase for their own clicks.

 

[Healdplace]

231 England hospital death by age:

20 - 39 (1) 0.4%

40 - 59 (20) 8.7%

60 - 79 (101) 43.7%

80 PLUS (109) 47.2%

Again the 80 Plus death % falls and now regularly below 50 % after hardly ever up to recently

And the gap to the 60 - 79 age range narrower than ever.

Exactly what to expect as the over 80s first to be vaccinated and these numbers will only shift weeks into the vaccination programme given the lag between catching Covid and dying from it .

Encouraging to see the data day to day reveal how the vaccine is working as it is pretty clear now this is a factor in what these numbers are revealing. Moreover a factor that should only increase in significance as the next few weeks unfold.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths

By region:

Midlands 67. NE & Yorkshire 49, East 34, London 32, South East 27. North West 16, South West 6

East Suffolk and Leicester at 16 each and Mid Yorkshire at 11 only double figure trusts today.

Countess of Chester at 5 and Blackpool at 4 highest in NW

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths 3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v Today:

609 / 54 NW / 8.9%

356 / 23 NW / 6.5%

313 / 23 NW / 7.3%

231 / 16 NW / 6.9% Today


This is always an underreported day in the NW hence the low % - and that will rise mid week as the catch up from weekend occurs both in the national and the NW total - but even so these numbers are good
and represent another steady week to week drop.

These are the lowest numbers in 2021 so far and since pre Christmas.

Though this is always the low point of each week because of the reduced death registrations over the weekend so that needs to be recalled.

 

[Ste1969]

'You can't book a quarantine hotel in Manchester'

Britons due to return to England - and enforced hotel quarantine - have been talking about their concerns ahead of their trips home.

Jo Chambers is returning from the United Arab Emirates, one of 33 high-risk countries on the government's "red list" with her two children. While they live in the North West, they will have to fly into London.

"You can't book a quarantine hotel in Manchester," she said. "I just think that's absolutely bizarre."

Government guidelines say travellers from the so-called red list countries must arrive in England at Heathrow, Gatwick, London City, Birmingham or Farnborough airports. More airports may be added.

They have to pre-book and pay £1,750 to spend 10 days in government-sanctioned hotels. The cost covers the hotel stay, transport and testing.

The additional rate for one extra adult or a child aged over 12 is £650, while for a child aged five to 12, it is £325.

Ms Chambers will have to pay £3,000 for herself and two children, on top of flights which, since she cannot fly into Manchester, she will have to rebook.

"I've no idea what we are going to get for that. Are we all in one room?" she asked. "It's not cheap."


From the bbc.

 

[frothy]

Good to see this thread dropping from the top on a more regular basis

 

[frothy]

Nicola Sturgeon just asked - will not people instead of paying to quarantine just fly internally on from Manchester to Scotland for instance at far less cost? Citing a flight from Turkey today where of the 60 passengers nearly all did something like that and only single figures stayed in their original destination and self isolated in the hotel.

If I followed the reporter who had been at the airport to watch them fly in today correctly. As that makes no sense - surely there is a rule stopping just that in place already as its a very obvious get around we must have anticipated?

Nicola Sturgeon said she understood this and her ultimate obligation is to the people of Scotland not the UK and will take that decision if the UK cannot be persuaded of these problems.

She added the UK government are still talking to her about her concerns.

You like her don't you?

 

[Healdplace]

Northern Ireland data:

4 deaths (taking the NI Total to exactly 2000 across the pandemic) - was 12 last week

234 cases - was 296 last week

7.8% positive - was 20.7% last week

79 care home outbreaks - was 94 last week

7 day cases total 2095 - was 2921 last week.

477 patients - was 598 last week

49 ventilated - was 54 last week

 

[Healdplace]

You like her don't you?

Not sure what you mean by this. I certainly respect her presentation. And know the problems she faces as a woman in a position like this which many in here understandably will not.

I am not Scottish so I have no stake in her leadership - though if you have followed this thread you will know - as I have often mentioned it - that I always listen to her daily briefings if I can because she gives the facts straight and in detail.

Which is kind of what my posting in here is about.

 

[hammocity]

No feeling a lot better now, the leaflet they give you explains that and from speaking to others who had the same injection they had similar experiences

Good news, my Dad didn't get a leaflet when he had his, only side effect was his arm was badly bruised for about three weeks but he's 88 and prone to bruising.

 

[xgorton]

'You can't book a quarantine hotel in Manchester'

Britons due to return to England - and enforced hotel quarantine - have been talking about their concerns ahead of their trips home.

Jo Chambers is returning from the United Arab Emirates, one of 33 high-risk countries on the government's "red list" with her two children. While they live in the North West, they will have to fly into London.

"You can't book a quarantine hotel in Manchester," she said. "I just think that's absolutely bizarre."

Government guidelines say travellers from the so-called red list countries must arrive in England at Heathrow, Gatwick, London City, Birmingham or Farnborough airports. More airports may be added.

They have to pre-book and pay £1,750 to spend 10 days in government-sanctioned hotels. The cost covers the hotel stay, transport and testing.

The additional rate for one extra adult or a child aged over 12 is £650, while for a child aged five to 12, it is £325.

Ms Chambers will have to pay £3,000 for herself and two children, on top of flights which, since she cannot fly into Manchester, she will have to rebook.

"I've no idea what we are going to get for that. Are we all in one room?" she asked. "It's not cheap."


From the bbc.

Pity,Vals hotel Ardwick highly recommended.

 

[cleavers]

Think the word I'd have expected was "permanent" but "irreversible" but that's me being picky.

I don't think either really apply, as has been proved already it won't be either, because if it kicks off again, it will have to brought back, and there is no gaurantee that it won't, if things open too quickly, especially with kids at school being the first thing open, and them not likely to be vaccinated for a long time.

 

[unicorn]

I don't think either really apply, as has been proved already it won't be either, because if it kicks off again, it will have to brought back, and there is no gaurantee that it won't, if things open too quickly, especially with kids at school being the first thing open, and them not likely to be vaccinated for a long time.

Yes, what the PM and we want is a permanent end to restrictions, but a guarantee is a long way away, even with vaccines and falling global cases.

 

[cleavers]

'You can't book a quarantine hotel in Manchester'

Britons due to return to England - and enforced hotel quarantine - have been talking about their concerns ahead of their trips home.

Jo Chambers is returning from the United Arab Emirates, one of 33 high-risk countries on the government's "red list" with her two children. While they live in the North West, they will have to fly into London.

"You can't book a quarantine hotel in Manchester," she said. "I just think that's absolutely bizarre."

Government guidelines say travellers from the so-called red list countries must arrive in England at Heathrow, Gatwick, London City, Birmingham or Farnborough airports. More airports may be added.

They have to pre-book and pay £1,750 to spend 10 days in government-sanctioned hotels. The cost covers the hotel stay, transport and testing.

The additional rate for one extra adult or a child aged over 12 is £650, while for a child aged five to 12, it is £325.

Ms Chambers will have to pay £3,000 for herself and two children, on top of flights which, since she cannot fly into Manchester, she will have to rebook.

"I've no idea what we are going to get for that. Are we all in one room?" she asked. "It's not cheap."


From the bbc.

I'm not convinced by this bbc story.

You have to ask, with the government discussing/pontificating about this for literally weeks, why has "ms chambers" suddenly decided to return to the UK with her kids ? If she's real, she's moaning about something she could easily have avoided with a bit of forethought.

 

[Healdplace]

Looks like this thread may be winding down which is good news indeed if it happens.

Though it might morph into the decimal currency 50 years ago today thread when post Covid struggling shopkeepers hope to tempt others with their D Day Specials - advertised as ten for the price of twelve.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Under 10k new UK cases! Lowest for any Monday since September.