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The government has got a lot of things right but its brushing the suicides and mental health problems under the carpet

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I completely agree that mental health is a huge issue with the lock down, and very close family of mine have suffered clinically directly as a result. Mercifully, all evidence suggests this does not generally extend to people taking their own lives.


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HOSPITAL DATA


Headline:

Admissions falling, UK patients under 6000, England under 5000 and UK ventilators below 900 - down a huge 3200 in under 8 weeks. London falls below 1000 when it was 7000 in January. Only Yorkshire now over 1000 and only just. No wonder deaths are tumbling. And most England regions down on both patients and ventilators again. With the exception of the SW who rose by 2 ventilatos and the NW who stayed level in ventilators. Though both fell in patients.


UK total:


Patients 5912 - it was 39, 248 at the peak on 18 Jan - (fall of 33, 336 in 60 days) :- lowest since 14 October

Ventilators 828 - it was 4077 at the peak on 24 Jan - (fall of 3249 in 54 days) : lowest since 25 October


England only:-


ADMISSIONS:-

343 Covid admissions (15 March) - following 364, 431, 357, 385, 386, 449 in the week before.


PATIENTS:-


Patients down 242 in day to 4841 v 6391 last week :- lowest since 16 October.

Peak was 34, 336 on 18 Jan (fall 29, 495 in 60 days)

Ventilators: Down in day 48 to 749 v 1023 last week :- lowest since 27 October

Peak was 3736 on 24 Jan (fall 2987 in 54 days)



Regions:



Patient // Ventilators // change in past 24 hours and v last week



East down 17 to 449 v 588 // down 7 to 74 v 93

London down 37 to 986 v 1273 // down 23 to 237 v 310

Midlands down 48 to 1052 v 1401 // down 7 to 169 v 229

NE & Yorks down 62 to 776 v 1049 // down 6 to 94 v 131

North West down 28 to 819 v 1040// stays at 90 v 128

South East down 39 to 579 v 798 // down 7 to 60 v 97

South West down 11 to 180 v 242 // UP 2 to 25 v 35
 
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What is it with people obsessed with nee variants ? Seems to be a few on here. Why not look forward to the good times that are coming back rather than mithering yourself about something that probably or more than likely wont happen?

im a glass half empty bloke but some people make me look like the most optimistic man on earth
Read my whole post. The short term is almost certainly looking rosy and I'm looking forward to it.

No one knows what the future brings yet though. Countries like Brazil who don't give a damn about controlling the virus could be pumping our new variants for years yet.
 
What is it with people obsessed with nee variants ? Seems to be a few on here. Why not look forward to the good times that are coming back rather than mithering yourself about something that probably or more than likely wont happen?

im a glass half empty bloke but some people make me look like the most optimistic man on earth
To be fair it's a good point the poster makes
I blame SAGE on a lot of it, giving daily updates of doom. Then the papers print it
 
It does seem like a big decrease for one day. So you may be right about the glitch HP. However In the past when there has been such a large drop in numbers it has tended to be on a Monday when there has been a delay in test results because of the weekend.
It seems unusual to have such a drop during the week.
Agreed, everywhere else fell too just a big drop in GM especially. But other regions fell like this too in the past so maybe it was just the NWs turn and it matches well the recent fall in the NW that the Zoe App has been flagging up this week from symptoms that I have been posting about. So that was likely to translate into tests eventually.

Guess we will see over the next few days.
 
Ignore the doom then an embrace the positive .

i personally dont think he does make a good point, hes doom mongering about a variant that may, or may not, close us down again
To be fair I'm as bad if not worse but throughout the past year everytime there has been a bout of good news we have been side swiped by something, that's why its hard to think it will all be ok sometime soon.
 
To be fair I'm as bad if not worse but throughout the past year everytime there has been a bout of good news we have been side swiped by something, that's why its hard to think it will all be ok sometime soon.

why is your situation not ok out of interest ?

I’ve found it hard not having family to see my little one and not going for beers with mates.

but there’s been a lot in lockdown that’s made me appreciate and look at life differently, I love being working from home and spending more time with my wife and baby, and going for walks and learning to cook and some other stuff.

We might be out of all this in a few months, enjoy what you can in this lockdown. It may never come again.
 
GM Weekly Pop Scores after today:~

Borough / Score Today / Score 7 days ago / up or down wk to wk/ Testing is % of local population who have tested positive for Covid over past year.

As ever with Pop scores going up is bad, going down good - the higher the number the better or worse depending on direction moving. The Pop Score is total cases in past week versus 100,000 POPulation to even out the comparison versus size and expected cases based on numbers living there.




Salford 107 / 117 / down 10 Testing positive 8.7%

Tameside 104 / 122 / down 18 Testing positive 7.8%

Rochdale 93 / 125 / down 32 Testing positive 9.2%

Wigan 91 / 102 / down 11 Testing positive 8.6%

Oldham 91 / 102 down 11 Testing positive 9.4%

Bolton 90 / 107 / down 17 Testing positive 8.7%

Manchester 83 / 91 / down 8 Testing positive 9.3%

Stockport 75 / 98 / down 23 Testing positive 6.9%

Bury 74 / 81 down 7 Testing positive 8.8%

Trafford 33 / 74 / down 41 Testing positive 6.7%


Amazing set of falls today. Everyone in much better shape.

Salford has been having a few high scores this week and though it fell 9 today took over top slot.

Huge fall for Rochdale. It will not be up that Weekly Pop list that was published today from 6 day old data after that Come next week when it gets through to that data.

As for Trafford - a zero pop score today (well it was actually up about 0.2) is standout and rare even last Summer. At 33 I cannot recall when a GM Pop score was ever lower.

Bury and Stockport had good falls again - especially Stockport with its best score in about 6 months letting it catch Bury right up.

These three boroughs were in the low times last Summer the ones then vying for lowest score against each other and had the fewest weekly cases so it is a good sign seeing that pattern reappear.


Trafford has had just 80 cases in the past week. This is the lowest in GM since last July and even at the very lowest point of the virus nobody ever got much lower than here. As that's just about 11 a day on average.


Manchester went sub 500 cases per week at 461 and this is the most weekly cases i GM but way below what it was scoring a few months ago when around 3000 in a week.
 
I tend to agree with you but I still feel it's rather absurd that here we are sitting on another nice weekend yet we can't again do anything and Easter again a write off.
You say over cautious, absolutely it is.
25 million and all the vulnerable nearly jabbed, that's a lot of people. Shouldn't we be expecting more freedom now?
Yet we are 3 months off any "normality"and still have severe restrictions.

I really do worry about the late teens and early 20s etc the affect on their mental health on all this and not being able to go out for 15 months.
The government has got a lot of things right but its brushing the suicides and mental health problems under the carpet. I'm in my 40s and it fucked me up last year to the extent I couldn't function.
This will no doubt come in after the post covid review and they should be rightly held accountable on that and other failings they have got wrong.
What suicides?
There is no evidence suicide rates have been affected by lockdown.
 
To be fair I'm as bad if not worse but throughout the past year everytime there has been a bout of good news we have been side swiped by something, that's why its hard to think it will all be ok sometime soon.
As i said, im not a positive person by nature. But if i dont focus on the positives with this i’ll end up going mad.
Certainly wont mither about non existent variants
 
why is your situation not ok out of interest ?

I’ve found it hard not having family to see my little one and not going for beers with mates.

but there’s been a lot in lockdown that’s made me appreciate and look at life differently, I love being working from home and spending more time with my wife and baby, and going for walks and learning to cook and some other stuff.

We might be out of all this in a few months, enjoy what you can in this lockdown. It may never come again.
Live on my own mate.
 
To be fair it's a good point the poster makes
I blame SAGE on a lot of it, giving daily updates of doom. Then the papers print it
Woeful post. What exactly are you blaming SAGE for, having the best UK scientists for advising the Govt. Yeah these guys don't know shit
Sir Patrick Vallance FMedSci FRSGovernment Chief Scientific Adviser
Professor Chris Whitty CB FMedSciChief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Adviser, Department of Health and Social Care
Professor Rebecca AllenUniversity of Oxford
Professor John AstonChief Scientific Adviser, Home Office
Professor Charles BanghamImperial College London
Professor Wendy Barclay FMedSciImperial College London
Professor Jonathan BengerUWE Bristol
Fliss BenneeWelsh Government
Mr Allan BennettPublic Health England
Professor Phil BlytheChief Scientific Adviser, Department for Transport
Professor Chris BonnellLondon School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Professor Sir Ian Boyd FRSEUniversity of St Andrews
Professor Peter BruceUniversity of Oxford
Caroline CakeHDR-UK
Professor Andrew CurranChief Scientific Adviser, Health and Safety Executive
Professor Paul CosfordPublic Health England
Dr Gavin DabreraPublic Health England
Professor Sir Ian Diamond FRSE FBANational Statistician, Office for National Statistics
Professor Yvonne Doyle CBMedical Director, Public Health England
Professor Deborah Dunn-WaltersUniversity of Surrey
Professor John Edmunds OBE FMedSciLondon School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Professor Sir Jeremy Farrar FMedSci FRSDirector, Wellcome Trust
Professor Michael FergusonUniversity of Dundee
Professor Neil Ferguson OBE FMedSciImperial College London
Professor Kevin FentonPublic Health England
Dr Aidan Fowler FRCSNational Health Service England
Professor Julia GogUniversity of Cambridge
Professor Robin GrimesChief Scientific Adviser, Ministry of Defence
Dr Ian HallUniversity of Manchester
Dr David HalpernBehavioural Insights Team, Cabinet Office
Dido HardingNHS Test and Trace Executive Chair
Dr Jenny Harries OBEDeputy Chief Medical Officer
Dr Demis Hassabis FRSPersonal capacity as a data scientist
Professor Andrew HaywardUniversity College London
Professor Gideon HendersonChief Scientific Adviser, Defra
Professor Peter HorbyUniversity of Oxford
Professor Anne JohnsonUniversity College London
Dr Indra JoshiNHSx
Professor Kamlesh KhuntiUniversity of Leicester
Dr Ben KillingleyUCLH
Professor David LallooLiverpool School of Tropical Medicine
Professor Janet LordUniversity of Birmingham
Professor Dame Theresa Marteau FMedSciUniversity of Cambridge
Professor Dame Angela McLean FRSChief Scientific Adviser, Ministry of Defence
Dr Jim McMenaminHealth Protection Scotland
Professor Graham MedleyLondon School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine
Dr Laura MersonUniversity of Oxford
Professor Susan Michie FAcSS FMedSciUniversity College London
Professor Christine MiddlemissChief Veterinary Officer
Professor Andrew Morris FMedSci FRSEUniversity of Edinburgh
Professor Paul MossUniversity of Birmingham
Professor Carole MundellChief Scientific Adviser, Foreign and Commonwealth Office
Professor Cath NoakesUniversity of Leeds
Dr Rob OrfordWelsh Government
Professor Michael ParkerUniversity of Oxford
Professor Sharon Peacock FMedSciPublic Health England
Professor Alan PennChief Scientific Adviser, Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government
Dr Pasi PenttinenEuropean Centre for Disease Prevention and Control
Professor Guy PoppyChief Scientific Adviser, Food Standards Agency
Professor Steve Powis FRCPNational Health Service England
Dr Mike PrenticeNational Health Service England
Mr Osama RahmanChief Scientific Adviser, Department for Education
Professor Venki Ramakrishnan PRSEx Officio as Chair of DELVE, convened by the Royal Society
Professor Andrew Rambaut FRSEUniversity of Edinburgh
Professor Tom RoddenChief Scientific Adviser, Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
Professor Brooke Rogers OBEKings College London
Dr Cathy RothDepartment for International Development
David SeymourHDR-UK
Professor Sheila Rowan MBE FRS FRSEChief Scientific Adviser, Scotland
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Professor Calum SempleUniversity of Liverpool
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Dr Gregor SmithScottish Government Chief Medical Officer
Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter FRSUniversity of Cambridge
Professor Jonathan Van Tam MBEDeputy Chief Medical Officer
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Professor Charlotte Watts CMG FMedSciChief Scientific Adviser, Department for International Development
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Professor Sir Mark Walport FRCP FMedSci FRSUK Research and Innovation
Professor Mark WilcoxUniversity of Leeds
Professor Lucy Yardley FAcSSUniversity of Bristol and University of Southampton
Professor Ian YoungNorthern Ireland Executive
Professor Maria Zambon FMedSciPublic Health England
 
I tend to agree with you but I still feel it's rather absurd that here we are sitting on another nice weekend yet we can't again do anything and Easter again a write off.
You say over cautious, absolutely it is.
25 million and all the vulnerable nearly jabbed, that's a lot of people. Shouldn't we be expecting more freedom now?
Yet we are 3 months off any "normality"and still have severe restrictions.

I really do worry about the late teens and early 20s etc the affect on their mental health on all this and not being able to go out for 15 months.
The government has got a lot of things right but its brushing the suicides and mental health problems under the carpet. I'm in my 40s and it fucked me up last year to the extent I couldn't function.
This will no doubt come in after the post covid review and they should be rightly held accountable on that and other failings they have got wrong.
Spot on.
It’s ridiculous that we are exiting slower this time.

why is “non-essential” retail still shut?

I say “non-essential” because for some reason clothes that are needed to work are non-essential but alcohol and Easter eggs are essential.
 
Spot on.
It’s ridiculous that we are exiting slower this time.

why is “non-essential” retail still shut?

I say “non-essential” because for some reason clothes that are needed to work are non-essential but alcohol and Easter eggs are essential.
No it's not ridiculous. It's dome for a very good reason. Keep the R rate down. Do it by stages. Have a look what's going on in Europe.
 
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