City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[JGL07]

Red Bull surely?

I think that German clubs (apart from Leverkusen) had to be fan owned. RB Leipzig fit into that pattern expect that they are owned by a severely restricted membership. Four years after they were founded they had nine members!

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

That may be true, but if you regulate the wrong thing, there is years of trouble. See ffp and debt.

There is years of trouble for a lot of teams if left go unchecked, its eating itself.

You talking 100 quid or more a game as a fan if no season ticket around transport, food, drink etc? Is that a massive exaggeration? Including matchday ticket?

That is being driven from inside and offset on fans. As wages and transfers go up, the cost of tickets and hot dogs do too. It is near breaking point.

 

[SWP's back]

The movies isnt a sports competition the last I checked.

When there are 20 Rocks in a squad getting that yearly and possibly not making a profit and say 12 agents managing those 20 players getting cuts bleeding the industry dry

The fact you'd compare tinseltown and the financial state of football speaks volumes and should serve as a warning

What bollocks is this?

What does it being a “sports competition” have to do with anything?

In 1950 there were 100 best 100 players in the world just as there were 100 best players in the world now. What they earn now is far more than they earned in 1950. Why do you have a problem with that?

Why the fuck should there be regulation as to how much the 100 best players in the world earn? The vast majority of their pay coming from TV and commercial income. Who should regulate their pay and why should it be regulated?

Why should a “sporting professional” earn less that someone from “tinsel town”? Other than both professions being entertainment with the difference being that footballers work a fuck sight more hours and put their careers (and earning capabilities) on the line each and every time they enter the field of play (or training ground).

Why should it bother you if the employers of said sporting professionals make a profit or not? Would you prefer watching City know our owner was making a profit (and thus taking a nice dividend) or would you prefer watching good football and knowing we had a chance of winning things?

The only warning this conversation shows is that some football fans and lacking in economic and/or sporting sense.

 

[SWP's back]

What about agents fees? Maybe not individual players contracts but a salary cap like they have in American football, that got too big financially and had to regulate. Its inevitable, football is unsustainable at the rate it is going. 200m transfers, 500k a week salaries, agents greasing the wheel. Grass roots and lower leagues fucked.

I'd say it's an industry that most definitely needs stringent regulation or reform. It's in danger of eating itself

Those fees are paid by tv income and by commercial income. Match going fans make up 10-12% of our income.

 

[SWP's back]

There is years of trouble for a lot of teams if left go unchecked, its eating itself.

You talking 100 quid or more a game as a fan if no season ticket around transport, food, drink etc? Is that a massive exaggeration? Including matchday ticket?

That is being driven from inside and offset on fans. As wages and transfers go up, the cost of tickets and hot dogs do too. It is near breaking point.

How much is your season ticket?

 

[KS55]

There is years of trouble for a lot of teams if left go unchecked, its eating itself.

You talking 100 quid or more a game as a fan if no season ticket around transport, food, drink etc? Is that a massive exaggeration? Including matchday ticket?

That is being driven from inside and offset on fans. As wages and transfers go up, the cost of tickets and hot dogs do too. It is near breaking point.

FFP has totally failed because it regulated the wrong thing. Barca, Real etc etc in trouble because of debt.
You wont stop football eating itself by repeating the same error

 

[deano ou812]

I particularly enjoyed this on Red Cafe:

Hahahahaha that could have been penned by the the likes of delaney or Harris ..

 

[Irlamblue]

Its all irrelevant when you have the best owners on the planet.

 

[VOOMER]

I think that German clubs (apart from Leverkusen) had to be fan owned. RB Leipzig fit into that pattern expect that they are owned by a severely restricted membership. Four years after they were founded they had nine members!

Plus the government is underwriting much of the supporters expense in Germany

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

FFP has totally failed because it regulated the wrong thing. Barca, Real etc etc in trouble because of debt.
You wont stop football eating itself by repeating the same error

So no regulation because we happen to be rich at the moment.

Shortsighted enough. Football as an industry needs regulation, badly. Its crooked and corrupt, root and branch. Head to toe.

But that's ok, City have a few Bob

 

[manimanc]

So does this mean clubs can literally spend whatever they want regardless of the debt they are in?

Barcelona, Real Madrid, United and Juventus will be thrilled.

Let them do it, the 4 clubs mentioned are all hellbent on reclaiming former glories at any cost, let them get into more debt for me, with no FFP rules in place they will wank themselves stupid spunking money they haven't got.

 

[aguero93:20]

So no regulation because we happen to be rich at the moment.

Shortsighted enough. Football as an industry needs regulation, badly. Its crooked and corrupt, root and branch. Head to toe.

But that's ok, City have a few Bob

So regulate debt, regulate agents. A salary cap or transfer fee cap will just see money leave the sport. We've already seen that focusing on the P&L doesn't protect clubs from financial difficulty.

 

[SWP's back]

So no regulation because we happen to be rich at the moment.

Shortsighted enough. Football as an industry needs regulation, badly. Its crooked and corrupt, root and branch. Head to toe.

But that's ok, City have a few Bob

I can see you’re in the tiny minority (of one) on this one so it’s probably not worth responding further. No one’s supporting your argument and you’re unlikely to remove yourself from this hill you appear happy to die on. Bark at the moon all you want.

 

[KS55]

So no regulation because we happen to be rich at the moment.

Shortsighted enough. Football as an industry needs regulation, badly. Its crooked and corrupt, root and branch. Head to toe.

But that's ok, City have a few Bob

You are wilfully misunderstanding me . I never said no regulation, I said regulate the balance sheet, specifically debt, not the P and L
Read my posts, you are getting your knickers in a twist.

 

[Roy Munson]

'brought uefa'. Where to? A dinner party? A mate's wedding? Thick rag ****.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Don't google it then

Just want to say mate, great reply to that scouser on the redcafe city/ffp thread.

 

[deano ou812]

Ha, on what grounds?!

I’m not clued up on ffp or the whole rules and regulations on this,but it’s only hypothetical if they did scrap it would we not be able to say it was a flawed procedure and incompetent in its function in the first place and shown now not fit for purpose,and chase them for fines handed out ..

 

[EL APACHE TEVEZ]

I bet Tebas is having a meltdown

 

[Ric]

I’m not clued up on ffp or the whole rules and regulations on this,but it’s only hypothetical if they did scrap it would we not be able to say it was a flawed procedure and incompetent in its function in the first place and shown now not fit for purpose,and chase them for fines handed out ..

I wouldn't have thought so.

 

[deano ou812]

I wouldn't have thought so.

Yeah your probably right Ric ..